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Hi all, Bought a 101 this morning at Cabelas. Just wondering, how common is a 101 with a straight stock and double triggers? 26″ barrels M/Imp. Serial number 8073X. I can’t figure out how to load pictures. Thanks in advance!

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Hi all, Bought a 101 this morning at Cabelas. Just wondering, how common is a 101 with a straight stock and double triggers? 26″ barrels M/Imp. Serial number 8073X. I can’t figure out how to load pictures. Thanks in advance!

  

I’m no expert on Winchester shotguns, or anything else, but I’ve owned a couple of 101s and a 23.  I don’t think the straight or “English” stock was produced in the same quantities as pistol grip stocks but they are not rare.  I have a pigeon grade 28 gauge with a straight stock.  I’ve never seen a 101 with double triggers but believe Winchester made some for the European market.  At one time, I think in the Seventies and Eighties,  Winchester attempted to compete in International shotgun and shotshell sales, particularly with respect to trap, skeet, and pigeon games. At a guess, your double triggered gun was part of that effort.  

If you can figure out how to post or link to some photos, it would be easier to get more specific help. In the interim, could you add some details. Such as any rollmarks that might identify the model?  I take it from your description it has fixed chokes, not tubes. Is it a 12 gauge? Factory case? Any other details that might help create a “word picture”?

I’ll try to look up the serial number today unless somebody jumps in with the data.  I’m an amateur at this but I’ve always thought the Olin Kodensha guns were well made and undervalued.  Olin’s Japanese partner made some rifles under the Golden Eagle brand that were very nice and manufactured all of the beautiful Parker Reproduction guns.  

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It is a fixed choke 12 gauge. The barrel is marked “MODEL .101-WINCHESTER-12 GAUGE-2 3/4” Underneath that it says “MADE IN JAPAN”

The double triggers work like this. You can pull the front one twice and it will fire each barrel one after the other. Or, 1 for the top barrel and one for the bottom. The safety doesn’t have the option of O or U.

The serial number is 80735. 1965?

Did a search on the Shotgun Forum and Ole Cowboy mentioned this particular shotgun by serial number.

No box or case.

I can email the pics if you like.

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33wcf said
It is a fixed choke 12 gauge. The barrel is marked “MODEL .101-WINCHESTER-12 GAUGE-2 3/4” Underneath that it says “MADE IN JAPAN”

The double triggers work like this. You can pull the front one twice and it will fire each barrel one after the other. Or, 1 for the top barrel and one for the bottom. The safety doesn’t have the option of O or U.

The serial number is 80735. 1965?

Did a search on the Shotgun Forum and Ole Cowboy mentioned this particular shotgun by serial number.

No box or case.

I can email the pics if you like.

  

I just sent you a PM to give you my email address. Email the pix and I’ll put them up on this thread.  I’m interested to knowwhat Old Cowboy said about this particular shotgun! 

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Haven’t put my hands on the serial number data but 1965 wouldn’t surprise me.  I did pull out Dennis Adler’s book on Winchester shotguns which, unlike others that ignore the Japanese Winchesters, does provided some information about the Olin-Kodensha line. I’ve attached an excerpt that discusses the line of 101 guns marketed by Winchester overseas. As you can see, double triggers were an option. Perhaps Adler’s text will get us closer to the story on your 101. adler-page-220.jpgImage Enlargeradler-cover.jpgImage Enlarger

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Zebulon, I can’t get your message. Sent you one, let me know if you got it

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Zebulon said

33wcf said

It is a fixed choke 12 gauge. The barrel is marked “MODEL .101-WINCHESTER-12 GAUGE-2 3/4” Underneath that it says “MADE IN JAPAN”

The double triggers work like this. You can pull the front one twice and it will fire each barrel one after the other. Or, 1 for the top barrel and one for the bottom. The safety doesn’t have the option of O or U.

The serial number is 80735. 1965?

Did a search on the Shotgun Forum and Ole Cowboy mentioned this particular shotgun by serial number.

No box or case.

I can email the pics if you like.

  

I just sent you a PM to give you my email address. Email the pix and I’ll put them up on this thread.  I’m interested to knowwhat Old Cowboy said about this particular shotgun! 

  

Well, we got it done.  I notice that the  versions I downloaded from the Shotgun Forum site had “.jpeg” as file extensions, whereas these – the ones you emailed to me – had .jpg extensions. The problem may have been as simple as that.  IMG_8300.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8301.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8302.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8303.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8304.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8305.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8306.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8307.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8308.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8309.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8310.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8311.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8312.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8313.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_8314.jpgImage Enlarger

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Thanks for adding my pictures, Bill.

The double trigger works like this: The front trigger works like a traditional 101. Pull it twice and it will fire both barrels. Or the front will fire one and the back fires one.                                                                                                                                                                                                               Does anyone have access to the European Olin Kodensha catalogs that might disclose what this unusual double trigger is all about? Even better, is anyone familiar with it and its purpose, in competition or otherwise?

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Steve, I’m sorry it’s taken so long to look this up but your 101 #8073X was made in June, 1965, according to the 42nd edition (2021) of Fjestad’s Blue Book.  20231201_171208.jpgImage Enlarger

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