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Can anyone please tell me when they stopped marking the model number on the slide bar. I have read in a couple of books that state it was around the half million point, but I have three 97’s serial number range 600K & 700K that have the bar stamped.

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Hello Mark,

Winchester used a number of different slide bar markings through out the production run. I will provide you with the serial number ranges for each type with the pictures below…

[size=18:09111689a8]For the pre "C" series (antique), and the "C" series solid frame guns[/size:09111689a8]

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Bert,
Thank you for taking the time to reply.

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m johno said
Bert,
Thank you for taking the time to reply.

You are quite welcome 🙂 .

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Bert, I’ve seen a riot gun in the 866xxx serial number range that had the last type slide bar markings. I believe that shotgun would have been made in the 1930s.

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Bert, I’ve seen a riot gun in the 866xxx serial number range that had the last type slide bar markings. I believe that shotgun would have been made in the 1930s.

Hello Tom,

The slide bar was not factory original to the gun. I have been surveying Model 1897/97s for many years now, and I can positively state that Winchester stopped marking the slide bars just before serial number 800,000 was reached. Serial 866,000 is a an early year 1931 vintage gun (the year 1930 ended with serial number 865,591).

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Bert,

This is the best presentation on slide bar markings that I have seen, and have looked over and referenced this on my collection.

However, I did not see the one with the "16 GA" marking on it- just to the right of the regular markings. It of course, is for 16 gauge models, and don’t know exactly when it "supposed" to have come on guns…but I have a friend with one I’ve tried to trade him out of, and cannot.

What serial number range should this particular slide marking have been issued? I ask, because I’ve not encountered it again, and have no idea if it is correct to the serial number range on his gun.

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Bert,

Any chance these pics on side bar markings can be re enabled? They no longer display.

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Larry

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Bert,

Can you repost the photos of the 1897 slide bar markings?
As an Model 1897 fan and owner two "C" model 1897s a 1903 and 1904 and a 1916 "E" model.
I noticed the change and have a interest in learning more. Incidentally my
1904 model #234557 came with two different type barrel sets with identical serial numbers. The CFM search was able to shed some light the history of this gun, which was received at the warehouse 2/15/1904 and shipped in 4/15/1904 yet was returned to the factory on 1/14/1910 for repairs. The repairs it seems included both a new barrel set and repair of the original one which has unfortunately been cut down a bit sometime in the last 110 years or so.

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My old photo hosting site pulled the plug about 18-months ago, and I lost more than 450 pictures & links. I have the pictures backed up on disk somewhere, but it will take me some time to find them. In the meantime, WACA is working on an upgrade to the website that will allow direct photo upload capability. Once that is complete, I will update the pictures I previously posted.

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Thank you, I look foreword to it.

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Bert,

Tagging of this old thread about 1897 slide bar markings. I cannot seem to open the jpg. file above, can you please re-upload.

I have an 1897 E series riot gun manufactured in 1914 and I am trying to determine if it has the correct period specific slide bar and handle, please see attached pictures.

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Phil

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Phil,

The slide bar on your 1914 vintage Model 1897 is not correct (original).  It should have a Type-4 slide bar marking versus a Type-7.

These are all seven of the slide bar markings that Winchester used in chronological order;

Type-1-47060.jpgImage EnlargerType-2-99106-C-series.jpgImage EnlargerType-2-231775-16-GA-C-series.jpgImage EnlargerType-3-326504-D-Series.jpgImage EnlargerType-4-550841-E-series.jpgImage EnlargerType-5-725330-Model-1897-E-series.jpgImage EnlargerType-6-725309-Mod-97-E-series.jpgImage EnlargerType-7-774111-Mod-97-E-series.jpgImage Enlarger

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Thanks Bert!   A follow up question. Did the early Model 1912 Pre 1920 have slide bar markings?  I have M12 #366949 from 1923 which does not.

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Dan,

I have never seen a Model 1912 or Model 12 with a slide bar marking.

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Thanks Bert.

Does the slide bar jpg. file names correspond to the s/n ranges of the firearms? Also for my 1914 Model 1897 would the slide bar and handle have a screw on each side of the handle? I am not clear if the slide bar/handle screw version was model specific or period specific on the 1897’s.

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Phil said
Thanks Bert.

Does the slide bar jpg. file names correspond to the s/n ranges of the firearms? Also for my 1914 Model 1897 would the slide bar and handle have a screw on each side of the handle? I am not clear if the slide bar/handle screw version was model specific or period specific on the 1897’s.

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Phil  

Phil,

The 3-screw slide handle stock was only used for the pre “C” and the “C” series guns.  The deletion of the 3 screws was part of the change that created the “D” series.  By the year 1914, all Model 1897 shotguns were “E” series guns, and were using the Type-4 slide bar marking.

 

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Keep in mind that the serial number ranges I have listed below are not exact, and are estimates based on my personal observations while surveying the Model 1897/97.

Slide Bar Markings;

Type-1, used on Pre “C” and the early production “C” series guns, serial range 34151 – 93000.

Type-2, used on “C” series guns only, serial range 93000 – 249000.

Type-3, used on “D” series guns only, serial range 249000 – 424550.

Type-4, used on the early production “E” series guns, serial range 418900 – 705000.

Type-5, used on the mid production “E” series guns, serial range 705000 – 725300.

Type-6, used on the “E” series guns, serial range 725300 – 774000.

Type-7, used on the “E” series guns, serial range 774000 – 800000.  Guns in this range are also frequently found with the Model designation on the barrel.

“E” series guns manufactured after serial 800000 will have a blank (unmarked) slide bar, as the Model designation was moved to the left side of the barrel.

 

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Bert H. said
Keep in mind that the serial number ranges I have listed below are not exact, and are estimates based on my personal observations while surveying the Model 1897/97.

Slide Bar Markings;

Type-1, used on Pre “C” and the early production “C” series guns, serial range 34151 – 93000.

Type-2, used on “C” series guns only, serial range 93000 – 249000.

Type-3, used on “D” series guns only, serial range 249000 – 424550.

Type-4, used on the early production “E” series guns, serial range 418900 – 705000.

Type-5, used on the mid production “E” series guns, serial range 705000 – 725300.

Type-6, used on the “E” series guns, serial range 725300 – 774000.

Type-7, used on the “E” series guns, serial range 774000 – 800000.  Guns in this range are also frequently found with the Model designation on the barrel.

“E” series guns manufactured after serial 800000 will have a blank (unmarked) slide bar, as the Model designation was moved to the left side of the barrel.

 

Bert  

Excellent synopsis – Thanks! 

It is especially useful to me since I will be shopping for a decent 1897 at Cody.  I don’t have a representative example of one in my small collection of centerfire Winchesters.

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Bert,

Thank for the detailed information. This type of detail helps very much, adding these notes to my files for future reference.

With the help of your publication “The Red Book of Winchester Values” and this forum I have learned a lot.

Thanks again,

Phil

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