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December 28, 2023 - 12:52 pm
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I figured someone would post these up for inspection.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1027101926

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1025242886

I always enjoy learning about these in hopes of someday owning an original one. Do either of these qualify?

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Both nice shotguns. WW1 gun is not US marked and will not bring the bigger bucks. The WW2 gun appears to be all correct down to the factory removed front sight. They will both go for a lot of $$$, as they are very nice examples.   Big Larry

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I agree with Big Larry.  They are both nice trench guns.  One (minor) issue I see with the WWII gun is that the bayonet lug has been modified to accept the M1895 Russian bayonet made by Winchester.  The seller does mention the modification in the description.  You usually see that kind of a modification on the commercial Model 97 trench guns made between WWI and WWII. 

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Tom D said
I agree with Big Larry.  They are both nice trench guns.  One (minor) issue I see with the WWII gun is that the bayonet lug has been modified to accept the M1895 Russian bayonet made by Winchester.  The seller does mention the modification in the description.  You usually see that kind of a modification on the commercial Model 97 trench guns made between WWI and WWII. 

  

Yes, and changing of handguards has always been a problem. Big Larry

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Tom D said
I agree with Big Larry.  They are both nice trench guns.  One (minor) issue I see with the WWII gun is that the bayonet lug has been modified to accept the M1895 Russian bayonet made by Winchester.  The seller does mention the modification in the description.  You usually see that kind of a modification on the commercial Model 97 trench guns made between WWI and WWII. 

  

Good catch Tom.  I’ve never seen that mod before.  The shop just sold a WW II trench gun at auction for $5,000 hammer price that was not in that good of condition.  Next time I see one I will pay attention to the lug.

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Notice the front sight bead has been ground off. Have seen many of those. My minty 1943 M97 Trench gun has this mod. as well. As for the lug, may have been changed out. The biggest problem with trench guns is the handguard. I once had a Ithaca WW2 M37 Trench gun. It was missing its handguard. After a while, I found a guy that had a handguard. I bought it and had a real nice and rare Ithaca. Sold it for 5 figures.  Big Larry

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Any thought on the hammer prices of these Trench guns? I would’ve thought the WW11 gun would have brought a bit more $’s.

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Sold off my US Martial shotgun collection too soon. I had a drippy mint US marked WW1 Trenchgun, according to many collectors, the finest ever seen. I sold it several years ago for $13,500. My M97’s brought good $$$ but not like this M97 did. Sold too soon. My only remaining WW2 M97 is actually nicer than this one. The Winchester bayonet is also minty. I don’t collect these any longer, but at less than $3,000, I could not pass it up. I also have a JQMD 1943 pouch and boxes of brass and paper 00 buck. I have been offered $10,000 for it, but am going to hang on to it. My Grandson wants it. Too many guns, too little time. Big Larry

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Why the 5 K price premium on the 2nd gun listed?, is it that much nicer? It is better presented. IMO.

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In my opinion,if you look at the bids, it looks like two people had to have it……but this is simply my opinion……

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That is often the reason, it is sure the one we hope for as sellers. The rarity and condition make the difference. We are much more likely to see the gotta have it when condition and rarity meet.

Good for the seller. I do enjoy that particular vendors listings, they tend to be a cut above on both guns and presentation. No affiliation

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