Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters




sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_Print sp_TopicIcon
1897 Takedown doesn't want to be taken down...
April 7, 2020
5:27 am
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I bought an 1897 in decent shape last year, and it just doesnt want to be taken down. I have multiple winchester books and talked to multiple people and they all agree that it shoudl break in two. The only thing im missing is the little pin at the end of the tube to help the operator rotate it. 

The mag tube itself rotates fine. I jsut never lets go of the receiver. Cry

From what I can see its a 16 gauge, Black Diamond Deluxe take down model. 

Gun:

https://i.imgur.com/eyNMAh7.jpgImage Enlarger]

Missing pin:

https://i.imgur.com/5rLIPS5.jpgImage Enlarger

Forend:

https://i.imgur.com/oET45ZV.jpgImage Enlarger

April 7, 2020
5:31 am
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 9969
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

This might sound like a silly question, but after you rotate the magazine tube, are you pulling it forward to clear it from the receiver frame?

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

April 7, 2020
3:23 pm
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am pulling forward but it's not moving... Im not sure if it's jammed... It rotates just fine. 

April 7, 2020
4:02 pm
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 291
Member Since:
January 27, 1992
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

From the picture posted of the 'missing pin hole": The magazine tube has not been rotated far enough counter clockwise to allow the magazine threads to completely release from the receiver threads.  The pin hole appears to be at the "6 o'clock" position and should be at about the "4 o'clock" position to disengage the threads.  If possible, use a substitute pin that goes completely through the tube.  This will help prevent damage to the pin holes by equalizing the turning pressure.  Just a guess.  Good luck.  Roger B

April 7, 2020
4:45 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 9969
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

As Roger correctly surmised, I suspect that you are not fully rotating the magazine tube far enough to clear it from the receiver.  If it rotates freely, it should slide easily out of the receiver.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

April 7, 2020
8:15 pm
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Im rotating it as far as it goes. It almost does a full 180. How do the threads look? Is there a cut out in them to allow them to fall free if the receiver? 

April 7, 2020
10:28 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 9969
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Kev18 said
Im rotating it as far as it goes. It almost does a full 180. How do the threads look? Is there a cut out in them to allow them to fall free if the receiver?   

If you are asking if it has interrupted threads, the answer is Ye, it does.  When you have the magazine tube fully turned, slide the pump handle forward

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

April 8, 2020
12:15 am
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Il make a video if I can't get it done. Iv'e tried everything but il try again. 

April 8, 2020
12:33 am
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Here's the video. I just tried pulling and rotating and no results.

April 8, 2020
12:51 am
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 9969
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Kevin,

When you find this message, give me a call (I emailed you my phone number)

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

April 8, 2020
1:02 am
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 52
Member Since:
December 10, 2008
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

From what I observed, you already had the mag. tube oriented close to where it should be to disassemble.  When you inserted the tool into the hole I thought you were going to push it down towards the floor to loosen, but you went in an upward direction to tighten (clockwise rotation). 

Put the tool back in & turn the tube counterclockwise (as looking from the muzzle) until it stops.  Then, attempt to pull the mag tube out (away from the receiver).  It should slide out of and away from the receiver.  I've taken down some stubborn ones by grasping the mag tube behind the forend close to the receiver.  Sometimes the tube is not perfectly straight & will offer some good resistance.  Don't drastically force anything...just be firm & work at it.   

Good video! 

April 8, 2020
1:24 am
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 231
Member Since:
October 29, 2019
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

You've got to swear at it. Seems to help sometimes.

Shoot low boys. They're riding Shetland Ponies.

April 8, 2020
1:27 am
Avatar
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 52
Member Since:
December 10, 2008
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

Old Logger said
You've got to swear at it. Seems to help sometimes.  

Now that's funny...and sometimes OH SO TRUE!  Laugh

April 8, 2020
2:13 am
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 9969
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I just got off the phone with Kevin, and as it turns out, the magazine tube is not quite rotating far enough to clear the interrupted threads from the receiver frame. I suggested using some penetrating oil, and then working (rotating) the magazine tube back & forth until it will rotate the full 90-degrees.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

April 8, 2020
3:35 am
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I got it apart but il need to do more polishing on the receiver where the mag tube slides in. I still need to fiddle it in with a Screw driver in the mag tube as a T handle. Must be a burr. 

The threads were really rusty and filled with old dust and oil making a nice paste. 

April 8, 2020
4:16 pm
Avatar
Canada
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 65
Member Since:
April 7, 2020
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Here's one of my problems... The rust was pretty bad.

https://i.imgur.com/pr1ntVe.jpgImage Enlarger

April 8, 2020
5:25 pm
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 9969
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Kevin,

I would start the cleaning process with acetone, followed by a multi-day soaking of the rusted areas with Kroil, then more acetone.  When it is completely free of rust & crud, coat it all with light machine oil.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Forum Timezone: UTC 0

Most Users Ever Online: 628

Currently Online: OW1892, Dave K., Shrapnel, pdog72, hokie, tim tomlinson, Win61, rogertherelic, RickC, meanderman@boldnet.net
59 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)


Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 16

Topics: 7281

Posts: 60209


Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 985

Members: 9266

Moderators: 5

Admins: 3


Top Posters:

1873man: 4297

twobit: 2557

TXGunNut: 2367

clarence: 1733

Chuck: 1584

Maverick: 1547

Big Larry: 1419

JWA: 1280

Wincacher: 1184

Brad Dunbar: 1084

Navigation