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My brother has an old model 1893, serial number 5345… He was asking me questions about it that I didn’t really have answers for. I know they were short lived, any info would be helpful. Approx value would be nice as well…
Regards, Kevin
November 7, 2015
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Kevin-
I think the 1893 is a shotgun that suffered from poor timing. Soon after it was introduced smokeless powder made it obsolete and then the 2 3/4” shell became standard. We hear about 1893’s being swapped out for 1897’s but I won’t address that here. The 1893 is an important part of the history of Winchester repeating shotguns and John Moses Browning. I’ll ignore the timing and marketing issues to admire an awesome shotgun.
Mike
Hello Kevin,
Have you read the article that I wrote & published in the Summer 2017 edition of the WACA Collector magazine?
Summer 2017 (winchestercollector.org)
If you have any questions after reading the article, simply get in touch with me.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Very interesting article, Bert…
Would the serial number (5345) on this 1893 be the 1st year run? I am not sure what my brothers plan for this old Winchester, does anyone have a ballpark value in it’s current condition? I can check the barrel length and report back if that is necessary to determine value.
Thanks, Kevin
Kevin Johnson said
Very interesting article, Bert…Would the serial number (5345) on this 1893 be the 1st year run? I am not sure what my brothers plan for this old Winchester, does anyone have a ballpark value in it’s current condition? I can check the barrel length and report back if that is necessary to determine value.
Thanks, Kevin
Yes, it is a first-year gun (November 1893). Per the factory records, it should have a 30″ barrel, as it is a standard (Field) grade gun.
The broken toe on the butt stock is a detractor to the value, but with a quality repair, it can be improved. In its present condition, it is worth approximately $700.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Does anyone have any information as to if Black Diamond wood was ever offered on the 1893? There wa an 1893 with Black Diamond wood on Rock Island auction a few years ago. I did not bid as it seemed Black Diamond wood was not even available on the 1897 until after the turn of the century.
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Does anyone have any information as to if Black Diamond wood was ever offered on the 1893? There wa an 1893 with Black Diamond wood on Rock Island auction a few years ago. I did not bid as it seemed Black Diamond wood was not even available on the 1897 until after the turn of the century.
To answer your question, Yes, it was available on the Model 1893, and on the Model 1897 from the first day of its introduction. For the Model 1893, the total number of guns made with the Black Diamond stocks was very small (less than 4-dozen). The first Model 1897s manufactured with a Black Diamond stock were in the low 34,000 serial range. The lowest numberred gun that I have personally handled is s/n 39576 (dom – 9/25/1897).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
The topic of the 1893 caught my attention a while back:
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-shotguns/the-model-1893-in-africa/
Interesting stuff, Steve… Thanks!
My brother just mentioned to me that he has decided to sell this 1st year production 1893. I may list in the classified section for him. Anyone have an idea on a value??? (Sorry, just noticed Bert said approximate value of $700…)
Thanks, Kevin
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