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1885 20 ga.
September 10, 2019
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According to John Campbell's first volume of the Winchester Single Shot he states that these guns were first announced in the 1914 Winchester Catalog.  He goes on to state that the takedown was first offered in 1916. When I put in the serial number of my takedown in When was My Gun Made it comes back as 1913?

September 11, 2019
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Chuck,

The information John Campbell published is not accurate in regards to the 20-Ga high-wall shotguns.  To start with, he was apparently unaware of the Polishing Room records.  The vast majority of the 20-Ga high-walls were all made in 1913.  Winchester first cataloged them in 1914, and last catalogued them in 1916.  The 2nd one of them in my survey (serial no. 113699) is a Take Down.   

Currently, I have (87) of them documented in my research survey, (84) of which were manufactured in 1913.  Of the (87) in my survey, Take Downs account for (50) of the total.  Based on the survey results thus far, Winchester manufactured approximately (800) total high-wall 20-Ga shotguns.

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Bert H. said
Chuck,

The information John Campbell published is not accurate in regards to the 20-Ga high-wall shotguns.  To start with, he was apparently unaware of the Polishing Room records.  The vast majority of the 20-Ga high-walls were all made in 1913.  Winchester first cataloged them in 1914, and last catalogued them in 1916.  The 2nd one of them in my survey (serial no. 113699) is a Take Down.   

Currently, I have (87) of them documented in my research survey, (84) of which were manufactured in 1913.  Of the (87) in my survey, Take Downs account for (50) of the total.  Based on the survey results thus far, Winchester manufactured approximately (800) total high-wall 20-Ga shotguns.

Bert  

Thanks Bert.  Campbell's book came out in 1995.  I first learned about the polishing room records when the info was posted by David Kennedy in the Winchester News Letters we used to get.  I know I have that copy but I don't know where I put all of them?  I actually saw the gun yesterday.  It is better than what I expected.  To all I must confess, I violated one of my rules.  For the first time in my collecting career I bought a gun from an auction house that I never had seen in person.  I paid too much but these guns are really hard to find for sale.  Bert, Little John told me that he has only sold one of these ever and this one may be the one he sold years before. 

Did you have the one I bought in your survey already? 

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What is the serial number?

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113930 it is the one I emailed you about not long ago.

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113930 it is the one I emailed you about not long ago.  

Yes, I did have it.  It is a June 1913 production gun, and is the 16th Take Down in my survey by serial number.

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Thank you.

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