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Though I have several rifles, but my newest and most favorite is HH Zehner Winchester Model 70 pre-64 chambered in 300 H&H Magnum. Looked for a long time for a very special Rifle and just acquired IT!
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Winchester Pre-64 Custom
I am new to reloading and ask help. I am right now using Hogden H4350 powder at 65gr, Hornady BTHP Polymer tip, Norma brass. I am open to other loads. My usual range was having problems. They usually use Kongsberg digital targets. They had some paper up, I didn’t bring a spotting scope to see exact where I was printing. But my first shooting and was amazed by the mild recoil and best I could tell I was grouping at 100yds about 3-4inches.
Fear does not shut you down. It just wakes you up!
Fabulous rifle! Certainly capable of much better shooting, so there’s some problem with ammo, bedding, scope, etc. Very good that stock comb is high enough to match high-mounted scope, but one thing I’d change to make the gun absolutely perfect is replace the ventilated pad with one of the solid red repros such as Win was using at this time. But actually, a gun of this quality deserves a leather-covered pad, that you can have done by G&H; expensive, but very good looking.
First check your bedding screws, and make sure that they are tight. The middle screw in front of the trigger don’t go to crazy, just snug it up. I have found that the .300 H&H Mag. In the Model 70 to be perhaps the most accurate of all chamberings for that rifle. I use 180 grain Sierra bullets with a charge of IMR 4350. 68 grains will give me around 3000 FPS. I have gone up to 69, but it is a little warm! You have a very nice rifle.
Does it look like the pad was put on at a later time in the guns history? May explain the approx. 14 1/2” lop
Bo Rich said
First check your bedding screws, and make sure that they are tight. The middle screw in front of the trigger don’t go to crazy, just snug it up. I have found that the .300 H&H Mag. In the Model 70 to be perhaps the most accurate of all chamberings for that rifle. I use 180 grain Sierra bullets with a charge of IMR 4350. 68 grains will give me around 3000 FPS. I have gone up to 69, but it is a little warm! You have a very nice rifle.
Will try the above. It was a very hot day and I wasn’t feeling good. First time I ever shot this rifle!
You mentioned IMR 4350. I have heard there is a difference between H4350 and IMR4350, but is it enough to put away the H4350 and go buy some IMR4350?
Fear does not shut you down. It just wakes you up!
Yes, that is a fabulous rifle. I also have an H H Zehner rifle but it is not built on Winchester action. However, I have no complaints about the action it is built on. Mine is an 8×57 and also has a detachable claw mounted scope with a leather case.
The Zehner rifle is the middle rifle (it doesn’t take much to launch me off on a tangent):
Marplot,
In 1983 I bought a 1955 Model 70 std grade for deer hunting. After trying factory loads and not being happy I went to hand loading. I settled on 150gr Nosler BT bullet with 60grs of 4895. A very accurate 3150fps and deer deadly. I have hunted this gun with this load for 40 years in three states, I’m happy with it’s performance and have the head mounts to prove it. No need to elevate until you go past 300yds. That bullet does cost you some meat but they don’t go anywhere when shot. The 180gr was not as flat and it would have made ranging my shots in Wyoming necessary. Coming from the Midwest I had trouble estimating range in open country without a range finder, that clear air is deceiving. T/R
Marplot, I don’t shot too well when I don’t fell good. So, that most likely was your cause for the lack luster grouping. I have not used H 4350. IMR 4350 is a little bit faster. They are very close in burning rates. However, one may shoot better then the other out of your rifle. I use both H4831, and IMR4831 in my .30’06 rifles. Both powders are accurate. Grain for grain I get a little more velocity out of the IMR4831. I would think that H4350 would give a little less velocity then IMR 4350. But a deer or elk would not notice it.
Try H4350 when you feel better. I would think that it would work well. I know powder is very expensive now, I try to use what I have on hand as well. Maybe try some 180 gr. bullets to see how they group in your rifle.
steve004 said
The Zehner rifle is the middle rifle (it doesn’t take much to launch me off on a tangent):
VERY lucky those scopes didn’t get separated from the rifle! If you’ve “got” to have a pad, one on the left isn’t too hard on the eyes (not that a trap BP wouldn’t be preferable), but can’t say the same for one on right. Love those schnobbles; shaping them to the right proportions seems almost a lost art among modern stockers.
clarence said
steve004 said
The Zehner rifle is the middle rifle (it doesn’t take much to launch me off on a tangent):
VERY lucky those scopes didn’t get separated from the rifle! If you’ve “got” to have a pad, one on the left isn’t too hard on the eyes (not that a trap BP wouldn’t be preferable), but can’t say the same for one on right. Love those schnobbles; shaping them to the right proportions seems almost a lost art among modern stockers.
Oh I’ve got another one – got the claw bases on it – but no claw mounts or scope. That’s a tragedy. Regarding pads, the rifle on the right is an Eduard Kettner with a solid rib barrel and Greener side safety. It is in it’s original chambering: .30-06!. Maybe that’s why it has a Pachmaryr pad 
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I too love the, “schnobbies” – here’s a closeup of the Zehner:
steve004 said
Regarding pads, the rifle on the right is an Eduard Kettner with a solid rib barrel and Greener side safety. It is in it’s original chambering: .30-06!. Maybe that’s why it has a Pachmaryr pad.
Hadn’t noticed the rib; that wasn’t cheap! Don’t you think this one deserves a trip to G&H for that leather-covered pad? I had one put on a Parker that some miserable weakling (it was only a 16) had vandalized with a vent pad. Cost $100 in 1980, possibly a little more now.
clarence said
steve004 said
Regarding pads, the rifle on the right is an Eduard Kettner with a solid rib barrel and Greener side safety. It is in it’s original chambering: .30-06!. Maybe that’s why it has a Pachmaryr pad.
Hadn’t noticed the rib; that wasn’t cheap! Don’t you think this one deserves a trip to G&H for that leather-covered pad? I had one put on a Parker that some miserable weakling (it was only a 16) had vandalized with a vent pad. Cost $100 in 1980, possibly a little more now.
My gun does have the original scope, I think, the Nickel is in the same year 1957. This is good. I have checked with G&H and the cheapest pad is about $285 and they go up to $750 for a leather clad “Purdy.” Possibly more for my rifle. This is out of my comfort zone. I am keeping what I have.
Fear does not shut you down. It just wakes you up!
Marplot said
Though I have several rifles, but my newest and most favorite is HH Zehner Winchester Model 70 pre-64 chambered in 300 H&H Magnum. Looked for a long time for a very special Rifle and just acquired IT!Link on GI
I am new to reloading and ask help. I am right now using Hogden H4350 powder at 65gr, Hornady BTHP Polymer tip, Norma brass. I am open to other loads. My usual range was having problems. They usually use Kongsberg digital targets. They had some paper up, I didn’t bring a spotting scope to see exact where I was printing. But my first shooting and was amazed by the mild recoil and best I could tell I was grouping at 100yds about 3-4inches.
You need to pick a powder then do a powder ladder test to see where your barrel is happy. Loading manuals will get you in the general area.
clarence said
steve004 said
Regarding pads, the rifle on the right is an Eduard Kettner with a solid rib barrel and Greener side safety. It is in it’s original chambering: .30-06!. Maybe that’s why it has a Pachmaryr pad.
Hadn’t noticed the rib; that wasn’t cheap! Don’t you think this one deserves a trip to G&H for that leather-covered pad? I had one put on a Parker that some miserable weakling (it was only a 16) had vandalized with a vent pad. Cost $100 in 1980, possibly a little more now.
The rib starts out wider and then narrows a bit about at the end of the forearm. I like the Greener safety, the DST’s and the American chambering. But I don’t care for the American pad. You’re right – a leather covered pad would dress it up a good bit. Continued apology for being so tangential. I’ve never loaded for a .300 H&H. However, I do have a batch of .300 H&H brass. I used it to form .280 Ross brass.
Marplot said
I have checked with G&H and the cheapest pad is about $285 and they go up to $750 for a leather clad “Purdy.” Possibly more for my rifle. This is out of my comfort zone. I am keeping what I have.
$750 for any leather-covered pad? That isn’t high, that’s absurd. I was thinking about $300; in fact, $300 would cover the work itself, so the remainder must be for the G&H name. It’s not that complicated a job once you know how to do it; if fact, I know a custom stocker who’d do it, I think, for about $300.
clarence said
Marplot said
I have checked with G&H and the cheapest pad is about $285 and they go up to $750 for a leather clad “Purdy.” Possibly more for my rifle. This is out of my comfort zone. I am keeping what I have.
$750 for any leather-covered pad? That isn’t high, that’s absurd. I was thinking about $300; in fact, $300 would cover the work itself, so the remainder must be for the G&H name. It’s not that complicated a job once you know how to do it; if fact, I know a custom stocker who’d do it, I think, for about $300.
You’ve got to pay to play. MUCH more so these days.
steve004 said
You’ve got to pay to play. MUCH more so these days.
Playing is one thing–extortion something else.
clarence said
Marplot said
I have checked with G&H and the cheapest pad is about $285 and they go up to $750 for a leather clad “Purdy.” Possibly more for my rifle. This is out of my comfort zone. I am keeping what I have.
$750 for any leather-covered pad? That isn’t high, that’s absurd. I was thinking about $300; in fact, $300 would cover the work itself, so the remainder must be for the G&H name. It’s not that complicated a job once you know how to do it; if fact, I know a custom stocker who’d do it, I think, for about $300.
I wold pay $300 if they don’t need my stock sent to them. Looks like they could make one for a standard model 70 stock. But here is G&H
Purdy Leather Pad
Fear does not shut you down. It just wakes you up!
I wold pay $300 if they don’t need my stock sent to them. Looks like they could make one for a standard model 70 stock. But here is G&HMarplot said
Probably impossible to fit pad without stock (esp on custom rifle), as pad must be shaped, buffed down, to fit stock exactly. But sorry I even mentioned G&H, because this price for a few hours work, or to be generous, let’s say a half day, is utterly SHAMELESS.
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