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Thoughts on shooting this in your Winchester (or Henry rifle)
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February 4, 2023 - 4:10 pm
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/969632495

They do look a bit unusual.

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20 rd 44-40 WIN 200 gr Hornady XTP Modified/trimmed 44 Mag Brass 1300 fps 24″ bar RELOAD Mainly for hunting or Defense Rifle
FOR 1860 Henry’s or Winchester 1873  Etc. These have trouble chambering in Model 1892 and 1894
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Licensed ATF FFL 5-74-091-06-5D-12501  Class 06-Manufacturer of Ammunition for Firearms

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1. SAFETY Safety is the main concern.  We load every round as though we were going to shoot it ourselves.  Attention to every detail is of prime importance.  Starting with the case, check correct caliber, length, size, Primer Pocket, If it is once or more fired, then an inspection to see if cracks, deformities, dents, scratches, would deem it unsafe to use.  New cases still need to be inspected as well–generally they are fine.  The correct primer is used according to the loading manual, they are inspected as well.  The correct gunpowder is used, and weighed also as the ammount is necessary for safety, accuracy, consistentcy.  Finally before reloading, the bullet itself is inspected for weight, dents, coating, tip,

2. RESIZING We use a Press and the appropriate Die for each caliber/Cartridge to RESIZE the Case.  For Bolt, Lever, Break-open action firearms, the neck is all that needs resizing, the body of the case you can leave alone because it will fit back in the chamber in order to have a consistent fit every shot.  We dont load much ammo for these type of actions.

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February 4, 2023 - 4:44 pm
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steve004 said
FOR 1860 Henry’s or Winchester 1873  Etc. These have trouble chambering in Model 1892 and 1894

  

Illustrates wonderfully why proof of normal (at least) intelligence should be a prerequisite for obtaining an FFL–esp. a Class 6!  (Even though it would disqualify half of them.)  I suspect the fool is actually referring to Henry & ’73 repros, though it would not seem unreasonable to say so explicitly.  ’94s?  Yes, I expect the user would find some difficulty with that model.

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Not a chance. A commercial reloader that feels full length resizing isn’t necessary should not be loading for the public. Neck sizing will allow it to chamber in the same firearm in which it was last fired and is sometimes a good practice for an individual reloader loading for a specific firearm. A commercial reloader should return the brass to original specs to ensure reliable chambering in all firearms. Also, a 3-5 shot group does not constitute accuracy testing. Three shot groups lie, five is a good start.

I guess I’m a little spoiled; nowadays I only load when I have plenty of time and I have very good equipment and components. I also have over 40 years experience and load well over a dozen different different cartridges. 
There’s more to quality reloaded ammo than a brilliant shine. 
JMHO, of course.

 

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I will concede I’ve had a chance to purchase a couple Model 94 .44-40’s over the years (I’m talking post-63 carbines that were probably made in the 70’s).  I’m not referring to commemoratives, I’m talking standard .44-40 M94 carbines – similar to the M94 carbine I had in .44 magnum that was made in the early 70’s.  I believe these standard .44-40 carbines were originally only available in Canada?

I don’t think these .44-40 carbines were what this ammo manufacturer was referring to.  Aside from his M94 comment, I find it interesting that he acknowledges his rounds have trouble chambering in a M1892.  I would think a .44-40 chamber is a .44-40 chamber?

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steve004 said
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I don’t think these .44-40 carbines were what this ammo manufacturer was referring to.  Aside from his M94 comment, I find it interesting that he acknowledges his rounds have trouble chambering in a M1892.  I would think a .44-40 chamber is a .44-40 chamber?

  

It may be that there was some variation in chamber dimensions before SAAMI but if the cases were full length resized it shouldn’t be an issue. I suspect his reasons for not FL resizing have more to do with precious cases lost to the process. 

 

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The main area to consider is the base portion of then cartridge’s dimensions.  

  • Case – 44 Mag, .4560″ at the base of full length resize and .4570″ at the very bottom
  • Chamber – .4589″ and .4590″ at the same locations
  • Case – 44-40, .4689″ at the base of the full length resize and .4711″ at the very bottom 
  • Chamber – .4697″ and .4718″ at the same locations

Thus the difference between the 44-40 chamber and the 44 Magnum case at the base is enough to cause weakening of the case base area with high pressure loads as the 44 Magnum case base will over expand at the thin area just before the case base gets thick.

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Bryan Austin said
The main area to consider is the base portion of then cartridge’s dimensions.  

    • Case – 44 Mag, .4560″ at the base of full length resize and .4570″ at the very bottom
    • Chamber – .4589″ and .4590″ at the same locations
    • Case – 44-40, .4689″ at the base of the full length resize and .4711″ at the very bottom 
    • Chamber – .4697″ and .4718″ at the same locations

Thus the difference between the 44-40 chamber and the 44 Magnum case at the base is enough to cause weakening of the case base area with high pressure loads as the 44 Magnum case base will over expand at the thin area just before the case base gets thick.

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Hence, assuming the barrel is not setback, it is not possible to rechamber a .44-40 to .44 magnum and end up with exact .44 magnum chamber dimensions/

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Nor can you rechamber a 44 Mag chamber to 44-40 without an oversized neck……not that it won’t work, just not an exact science! 

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