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No one is going to even open one of the boxes let alone shoot some. A lot of the collectability is in the fact this is a full crate. $59 a round is cheap compared to an early New Haven Arms box of 50. These would cost more than $160 per round. $350 each out of a hundred round box.
Chuck said
No one is going to even open one of the boxes let alone shoot some. A lot of the collectability is in the fact this is a full crate. $59 a round is cheap compared to an early New Haven Arms box of 50. These would cost more than $160 per round. $350 each out of a hundred round box.
What ??? You would not even be tempted to slit open even just one box and make a trip to the range 
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Bert H. said
steve004 said
hmmm… my math figuring came to about $60 per round.
Well now… that will put a damper on my shooting any of it soon!
I’m guessing a quick levergun plate match is out of the question?
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Chuck said
No one is going to even open one of the boxes let alone shoot some. A lot of the collectability is in the fact this is a full crate. $59 a round is cheap compared to an early New Haven Arms box of 50. These would cost more than $160 per round. $350 each out of a hundred round box.
If I had a Henry or an 1866 and a box of correct ammo you can bet I’d shoot it! Back in the sixties folks put plastic seat covers over the factory seat covers. My question was who are you saving the new seat covers for? You paid for them! I’m finally to the point where I know I’ll never shoot every old gun I buy but folks who have fired a Henry or 1866 with the correct ammo is an exclusive club getting smaller all the time. My heirs would probably sell ammo and rifle to Cabela’s and treat themselves to a nice dinner. Screw that! Range is hot! Commence fire!
Mike
steve004 said
hmmm… my math figuring came to about $60 per round.
Dummy I am! You rite Steve
Bert H. said
steve004 said
hmmm… my math figuring came to about $60 per round.
Well now… that will put a damper on my shooting any of it soon!
Yes, particularly for those of us who would love to fill a Henry magazine to the brim and see how fast we could empty it. If the rifle functioned flawlessly and all the ammunition fired… that would be a very expensive couple of seconds
TXGunNut said
Chuck said
No one is going to even open one of the boxes let alone shoot some. A lot of the collectability is in the fact this is a full crate. $59 a round is cheap compared to an early New Haven Arms box of 50. These would cost more than $160 per round. $350 each out of a hundred round box.
If I had a Henry or an 1866 and a box of correct ammo you can bet I’d shoot it! Back in the sixties folks put plastic seat covers over the factory seat covers. My question was who are you saving the new seat covers for? You paid for them! I’m finally to the point where I know I’ll never shoot every old gun I buy but folks who have fired a Henry or 1866 with the correct ammo is an exclusive club getting smaller all the time. My heirs would probably sell ammo and rifle to Cabela’s and treat themselves to a nice dinner. Screw that! Range is hot! Commence fire!
Mike
Mike, I just can’t justify shooting up a collectable box of ammo that is worth over $2500 to $10,000. I do really want to shoot an entire magazine at one time though. I plan to get an extra firing pin and striker to make a center fire set up. I still have dreams of shooting reloaded cartridges but haven’t figured out how yet. Primer compound is available. The brass isn’t. Old brass is so hard I can’t get the striker to hit it hard enough to set if off. I annealed some cases but that didn’t work either. I form my own bullets. I am not the only one that is working on this project and someday we will figure it out.
Bert H. said
What ??? You would not even be tempted to slit open even just one box and make a trip to the range
Bert you know me. I am very tempted but to frugal/cheap. It’s bad enough to spend $20 to $40 dollars a round for my experiments. I have a full New Haven box and at least 40 loose rounds. About half of these came out of a 100 round box. When Doug sold his 100 round box he sold me rounds that came out of another 100 round box. I am probably one of few that has actually held a 100 round box. The guy that bought Doug’s box eventually bought a second one too. There is a good chance that one of the boxes pictured in Ray’s book was Doug’s.
Chuck said
TXGunNut said
Chuck said
No one is going to even open one of the boxes let alone shoot some. A lot of the collectability is in the fact this is a full crate. $59 a round is cheap compared to an early New Haven Arms box of 50. These would cost more than $160 per round. $350 each out of a hundred round box.
If I had a Henry or an 1866 and a box of correct ammo you can bet I’d shoot it! Back in the sixties folks put plastic seat covers over the factory seat covers. My question was who are you saving the new seat covers for? You paid for them! I’m finally to the point where I know I’ll never shoot every old gun I buy but folks who have fired a Henry or 1866 with the correct ammo is an exclusive club getting smaller all the time. My heirs would probably sell ammo and rifle to Cabela’s and treat themselves to a nice dinner. Screw that! Range is hot! Commence fire!
Mike
Mike, I just can’t justify shooting up a collectable box of ammo that is worth over $2500 to $10,000. I do really want to shoot an entire magazine at one time though. I plan to get an extra firing pin and striker to make a center fire set up. I still have dreams of shooting reloaded cartridges but haven’t figured out how yet. Primer compound is available. The brass isn’t. Old brass is so hard I can’t get the striker to hit it hard enough to set if off. I annealed some cases but that didn’t work either. I form my own bullets. I am not the only one that is working on this project and someday we will figure it out.
I understand the reluctance to shoot up that kind of money. However, I’m starting to have thoughts similar to Mike’s. The reality is if you buy something like this, someone else is going to end up owning it. This leaves you as the person who is storing it for them. All of us have a limited shelf life. There is indeed, an opportunity to join a very limited club. The particular problem with this situation is by firing a magazine-full of rounds, one is changing an entire, “case” of sealed ammunition into a something that isn’t a full case of 20 unopened boxes. It would be better to find a single box of excellent condition rounds (a partial box could work). I believe that the elusive club could still be joined. (I realize that with any of these original rounds, there is the fair chance they won’t all fire).
Well despite the aura of shooting up 44 rimfire I can say this. My son came over today and I dished out a few 45-90wcf. It was spectacular! If I had a Henry i would load er up. What else do I do with that kind of ammo?
Steve, we are caretakers of the guns and in this case rare boxes of ammo. You know I’ve shot my Henry and 66. Just not a full magazine, yet. I buy single cartridges for the cheapest price I can. I am not going to get into a full box.
Tom, comparing a 45-90 cartridge to a Henry cartridge is really no comparison. Old center fire rounds usually shoot and are a small fraction of the cost. A really nice antique box of 45-90 can be $600 or so. Multiply that by at least 5 and you can get a ratty Henry or 66 box. Then you try to shoot a $50 cartridge and all that happens is you put striker marks on the base. Now the cartridge is worth less than half. I’ve messed up every 44 RF cartridge that I have tried to shoot.
Chuck said
Steve, we are caretakers of the guns and in this case rare boxes of ammo. You know I’ve shot my Henry and 66. Just not a full magazine, yet. I buy single cartridges for the cheapest price I can. I am not going to get into a full box.
Chuck –
The danger that I’m going to shoot up any rare boxes of ammo (and I have some) is very low. I’ve been a handloader for 40+ years. I do this so I can shoot obsolete cartridges. I also load modern cartridges and economy is a big factor for why I do it. Heck, I am very reluctant to shoot boxes of factory ammunition I have – that are available right now on store shelves! I realize the boxes on the shelves have gone up in price in recent times, but I was reluctant to shoot it even when it was half what it is now. If someone accused me of being cheap, I would not be able to cry slander.
steve004 said
The danger that I’m going to shoot up any rare boxes of ammo (and I have some) is very low. I’ve been a handloader for 40+ years. I do this so I can shoot obsolete cartridges. I also load modern cartridges and economy is a big factor for why I do it. Heck, I am very reluctant to shoot boxes of factory ammunition I have – that are available right now on store shelves! I realize the boxes on the shelves have gone up in price in recent times, but I was reluctant to shoot it even when it was half what it is now. If someone accused me of being cheap, I would not be able to cry slander.
Steve I understand. I love to figure out and shoot the obsolete calibers. I started hand loading many years ago like you. I inherited a gun that ammo had not been made for over 50 years. My first attempt to load was for a cartridge that I had to form from another cartridge. My second attempt was the 44 WCF. This not only started me loading but collecting too. Now I mainly shoot my target guns but I do bring out my collectables to shoot a few times a year. Hand loading is very expensive when you fall down the long range accuracy rabbit hole. Equipment is very costly. I reload every week for a couple of days just to shoot 1 day. Almost all the guns that I ever have had I’ve shot. I just prefer not to mess with expensive antique ammo. I’d rather reload.
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