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It not everyday you see a nice supply like this:
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/86/1012/full-crate-of-remingtonumc-44-henry-flat-cartridges
Hmmm… that would keep me in shooting fodder for at least a few months! Now if I just had a spare $100K in loose change handy !!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Hmmm… that would keep me in shooting fodder for at least a few months! Now if I just had a spare $100K in loose change handy !!Bert
I posted it as a courtesy – hunting season is right around the corner 
steve004 said
Bert H. said
Hmmm… that would keep me in shooting fodder for at least a few months! Now if I just had a spare $100K in loose change handy !!
Bert
I posted it as a courtesy – hunting season is right around the corner
With that much ammo, I could embark on a Prairie Dog extermination adventure, or more closer to home, a Belding ground squirrel eradication adventure.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
oldcrankyyankee said
Would you guys really shoot that?
Shrapnel would use the whole case up in a weekend on prairie dogs!
oldcrankyyankee said
Would you guys really shoot that?
Only if I was attacked by marauders (2-legged or 4-legged) and had no other ammo on hand. Fortunately, I do have 2,800 rounds of 222 Rem Mag, and another 2,000 rounds of 22 Hornet on hand. In a real pinch, I can use the 4,000 rounds of 22 Mag or 10,000 rounds of 22 LR I have in the ammo cabinet.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Would you guys really shoot that?
Only if I was attacked by marauders (2-legged or 4-legged) and had no other ammo on hand. Fortunately, I do have 2,800 rounds of 222 Rem Mag, and another 2,000 rounds of 22 Hornet on hand. In a real pinch, I can use the 4,000 rounds of 22 Mag or 10,000 rounds of 22 LR I have in the ammo cabinet.
Bert
This is the last type of ammo I would want to shoot. It is very expensive and most likely only a few of the rounds will actually go off. If you look at Henry/66 rounds for sale you will see many of them with multiple striker hits. The priming compound has flaked off and is laying in with the powder. I you do shoot some and they don’t go off let me know. I use these for my tests.
Chuck said
Bert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Would you guys really shoot that?
Only if I was attacked by marauders (2-legged or 4-legged) and had no other ammo on hand. Fortunately, I do have 2,800 rounds of 222 Rem Mag, and another 2,000 rounds of 22 Hornet on hand. In a real pinch, I can use the 4,000 rounds of 22 Mag or 10,000 rounds of 22 LR I have in the ammo cabinet.
Bert
This is the last type of ammo I would want to shoot. It is very expensive and most likely only a few of the rounds will actually go off. If you look at Henry/66 rounds for sale you will see many of them with multiple striker hits. The priming compound has flaked off and is laying in with the powder. I you do shoot some and they don’t go off let me know. I use these for my tests.
Chuck,
Based on the condition of the cartridge boxes in that crate, my bet is that at least 90% of the cartridges would fire properly. Well stored ammo does not degrade significantly, and I suspect that case was manufactured in the 1920s (not exceptionally old).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, I still stand on my original statement. Someone needs to pull out some well stored ammo and prove me wrong. Most people I know who have tried get a few to fire but nowhere near 90%. I’ll buy all the misfires for half of what it once was worth.
The manufacture of this cartridge spans a large number of years. Approximately 1860 to the 1930. This case seems to be from the 1920’s so is relatively recent. I’m not surprised that cartridges 60 years older than these would have a poorer rate of going off. In fact, these boxes are late enough that the boxes don’t even mention the Henry rifle.
Just a dumb idea here, with all the collectors here and all the henry’s and 1866’s couldnt we get an ammo producer to at least make a limited run of 44 rimfire so that all of you could enjoy shooting those beautiful lever guns. Mite come in handy soon!!!
All, IF I recall correctly, there was a run of 44 Henry flat, rimfire made by a French company in the 1970’s or maybe the 1980’s. Seems to me Ray Giles had a few of them for sale years ago. But it also may be that I am mixing up details that weren’t important to me at the time. Point being, the ability has existed in the past, and likely could be done again. Now–at what cost? Would enough sell quickly enough to be worth it for a professional loading company to do this? I’ve no idea. Tim
November 7, 2015
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tim tomlinson said
All, IF I recall correctly, there was a run of 44 Henry flat, rimfire made by a French company in the 1970’s or maybe the 1980’s. Seems to me Ray Giles had a few of them for sale years ago. But it also may be that I am mixing up details that weren’t important to me at the time. Point being, the ability has existed in the past, and likely could be done again. Now–at what cost? Would enough sell quickly enough to be worth it for a professional loading company to do this? I’ve no idea. Tim
As I understand it the challenge of manufacturing the 44 Henry Flat is finding buyers for hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo, because that’s how many would need to be produced to make it affordable. And that’s during “normal” times. Right now every bit of production capacity seems to be dedicated to more mundane cartridges such as the 9mm, 5.56X45 and the occasional 30WCF run. I felt fortunate to score a few flats of 12 ga Trap ammo and defense 45ACP ammo for my social equipment this weekend. I’m not sure the machinery still exists to manufacture this cartridge on a large scale. I’d love to do a “mag dump” or take on a bunch of steel targets with an 1866 but I’m pretty sure it will never happen in my lifetime. Unlike “modern” central priming systems I don’t think the old rimfire priming system was intended for or capable of any extended longevity but I’d be willing to help anyone who wants to furnish the ammo to prove that theory wrong!
Mike
oldcrankyyankee said
Just a dumb idea here, with all the collectors here and all the henry’s and 1866’s couldnt we get an ammo producer to at least make a limited run of 44 rimfire so that all of you could enjoy shooting those beautiful lever guns. Mite come in handy soon!!!
I know of guys who would like to band together to get the ammo producers to just do a run of .410 shotshells. I hear 12 and 20 gauge are back but people are not finding .410 anywhere. I think the ammo producers are focusing on mass producing what is in highest demand and they’re not getting around to the other stuff.
oldcrankyyankee said
Just a dumb idea here, with all the collectors here and all the henry’s and 1866’s couldnt we get an ammo producer to at least make a limited run of 44 rimfire so that all of you could enjoy shooting those beautiful lever guns. Mite come in handy soon!!!
I would love to see this too. Several of us have been trying to get someone to just make the brass. We thought we found someone. They told us they would make a minimum of 25,000 cases. When a drawing was submitted they backed out. There is one company that claims that they do make it but for the last few years I have not been able to get them to do so.
If you really want to shoot your Henry or 66 get a firing pin and striker and modify the firing pin. Then you can use S&W 44 Special cases.
steve004 said
oldcrankyyankee said
Just a dumb idea here, with all the collectors here and all the henry’s and 1866’s couldnt we get an ammo producer to at least make a limited run of 44 rimfire so that all of you could enjoy shooting those beautiful lever guns. Mite come in handy soon!!!
I know of guys who would like to band together to get the ammo producers to just do a run of .410 shotshells. I hear 12 and 20 gauge are back but people are not finding .410 anywhere. I think the ammo producers are focusing on mass producing what is in highest demand and they’re not getting around to the other stuff.
I ordered a case of .410 shells from a Company called BOSS. Order date 2/3/22 ship date 8/3/22…..Ammo maufactured 8/2/22 Six month delay on .410!
Well it looks like the .44 rim fire went for a bit less than expected. A paltry 55k! Not to bad as that equates ,with the juice , to about $6 around. not much more than what i just paid for some 45-90 and 33wcf.
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