Hi Roger-

I have no experience developing target loads for the 270 W.C.F. so I’m just writing to ask if you’ll post a couple photos of the rifle so I can be jealous.  I’ve got a type III 270 WIN Target Model (S/N 250764) but would sure like to have a pre-war one!!!

Congrats!!! 

Lou

Roger-

Have no experience with the fine 270 WCF but I recently scanned an article in American Rifleman about this grand old cartridge. I’m a bit behind on my periodical perusing and unfortunately I did not save the issue but if you can locate it you may find it interesting.

Mike

Roger that is a nice looking gun.  Since the bullets are different than the Speer’s use a little less powder at first.  After firing check the brass for any signs of over pressure.   I am not sure that I would want to remove the existing sights to mount a scope?  If you do don’t harm/modify the gun.  Scopes really help old eyes.

Roger, I own a model 70 that has been customized.  It was a 1954 production if I recall, and the barrel was toast.  Shot groups that looked more like shotgun targets.  The 150 grain round nose bullets (Remington factory) were the best at the time.  It wears a Shilen air gauged barrel now in custom wood and I have used it the most of any rifle I own for elk, mule deer, white tail deer, antelope, even a jack rabbit or two.  It and I at best shoot about a 1 and a quarter minute group, as long as I limit it to 5 shots or fewer as the barrel gets hot quickly.  Used to load only IMR 4350, but changed to IMR 4831.  Seems I get better groups with that powder.  I won’t say what I load though, as once before that has had bad reactions by a “friend” who may or may not have followed my advice.  For elk I used 150 grain partition bullets that I had had for many years (price tag was $12 for the 50).  Mostly I use run of the mill Sierra 130 grain boat tail spitzers.  I do not have a combination that would do justice in a tight group league or target work, but it works quite nicely for hunting with my shots being under 300 yards.  And yes, I still have a supply of Hornady 150 grain round nose bullets that I expect to shoot up in the next year or two, just because.   I would just enjoy your rifle and shooting it.  I don’t think the .270 Winchester is known as a long range accuracy round, but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be able to work at that if the barrel is up to it, the action is trued, etc.  

Tim

Roger, that is one fine looking Winchester model 70!  I don’t collect that model, but I sure would be happy to have that one!  I should think the heavy barrel, coupled with what was a fine trigger, would allow you to print relatively satisfying groups at 100 yards all day long.  Good shooting to you and hope you recover from the side effects of your pneumonia.  So far that is something I have avoided!  I have had both pneumonia shots, so hope to avoid it in the foreseeable future, too!  I would look at using a 130 grain bullet of conventional design, Hodgdon H-4831 using about 55 to 55.5 grains in selected cases (I have had good luck with Federal Gold Medal plated cases), and Federal 210M primers.  I do have one target in my notebook where that load printed a 2 and 7/8ths inch three shot group at 300 yards for me.  I neck size only as only have the one rifle in that caliber, and I do not crimp the bullet in the case.  My dies are standard RCBS dies, so might be some room to improve slightly with bench rest grade dies, but I do NOT know that.  Muzzle velocity is not blazing, but works well.  I long ago got over the phase of trying for every foot per second velocity I could get, and now try for the tightest groups I can get.  H-4831 comes in various flavors, with Short Cut versions and standard long grains.  If you weigh each charge I don’t think it will matter.  I have read and heard good things about RL-22, but have no experience with it in this caliber.  Let me know how it works out for you, please.  Tim

rogertherelic said
Hi Chuck, slow reply due to computer keyboard dying.  Bert answered the 6 o’clock hold  question.  It compensates for the bullet rise.  I like to shoot into the bullseye so that explains the hold.  Especially if I use the “Shoot N See” stickers.  

In regards to the load:  I was using an old Sierra manual and using the IMR 4064 loading.  I understand that Varget can be used in duplicate weights to the 4064 loads.  If I am misinformed please enlighten me.  The cases and primers show no signs of excessive pressure.  However, this load is near the top of the suggested load maximum. 

I have an almost full 8 lb. jug of the Varget and only a third of a 1 lb. can of the H-4831.  So that is why I decided to use the Varget.

I DO NOT recommend any of the loads I use.  I am only stating the results I get.

Thanks to all,  Roger  

My Hodgdon manual says 54 grains of H 4831 for a starting load and 60 grains for a MAX load.  Using Varget, Hodgdon says 43 grains for a starting load and 46 for a MAX load.  Using IMR 4064, Hodgdon says 42 grains for a starting load and 47.3 as a MAX load.  It is just my opinion but I generally use at least 2 grains of powder less than the MAX load data as my MAX with these powders.  You will loose about 100 FPS but are a lot safer.  Varget will shoot about 100 FPS faster than the others.  My suggestion is that you get a loading manual from the company that makes your bullets and one from the powder manufacturer.

With iron sights I always have the top of the sight just below the target area so you can see what you are sighting.  With a scope I put the crosshairs exactly where I want to hit.