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I came across this on GB today…
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=547446857
While the seller doesn’t explicitly claim that this crate is original to this rifle, I believe a strong inference is made as such in the auction description. I think this particular seller was also discussed in previous posts.
My real question for the experts…when was the last time anyone ever saw the original crate with its Winchester rifle for any rifle made in the early 1900s or before? Is there even a way to ascertain if a crate was shipped with a particular rifle?
Greg
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As far as I’m concerned, this guy is an outright crook. This same exact gun once belonged to Rob Kassab and was recently sold by Leroy Merz for $7,750.00 with no crate, no “original” paperwork, hang-tag, etc.–see attached. Everything but the gun is an absolute fake and I would not ever buy from this seller no matter what he has for sale. He makes it sound like it’s been in his “dad’s” collection for many years. Instead, he’s a complete fraud trying to scam a quick buck. If I were Mr. Kassab, I would be a bit offended if he’s including a Cody letter with his name on it in this fraudulent sale.
As Don mentioned, the seller is an outright lying scumbag. He has been banned from the WACA website, and has changed his User Id on Gunbroker at least once to avoid the negative feedback. I recommend avoiding his auction listings like the plague!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi,
The only Winchester rifle crate that I have seen was in an article in the Collector magazine some time back, written by Bob Renneberg. I will not comment on this seller in question, so as not to help.
Walter
Fourteen of eighteen of the sellers current acutions have boxes/crates and papers. Hard to believe that a buyer could be so naive to believe they are original to the respective guns. Maybe the buyers just don’t care….
If you can’t convince them, confuse them
These are the “new collectors” that are too lazy to do their research. They will find out one day. The Internet has changed a lot of things.
Walter
I posted a Fraud alert on the GB forum, and submitted a Fraud report to GB’s auction support.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks Bert. Every time I see his listings on Gunbroker it disgusts me, especially when I see his fraudulent boxed/crated guns go for big money and people are unknowingly getting ripped off. Guys like this take the fun out of our hobby and deserve to be exposed for what they really are.
Don
Greg,
To answer your original post, look back at these posts. We have all made bad buys, learning, have we not?
Walter
Also, this rifle is misrepresented as being “deluxe”. Yes, there are some special order features, but not “deluxe”. And definitely not in 95% condition!
deerhunter said
As far as I’m concerned, this guy is an outright crook. This same exact gun once belonged to Rob Kassab and was recently sold by Leroy Merz for $7,750.00 with no crate, no “original” paperwork, hang-tag, etc.–see attached. Everything but the gun is an absolute fake and I would not ever buy from this seller no matter what he has for sale. He makes it sound like it’s been in his “dad’s” collection for many years. Instead, he’s a complete fraud trying to scam a quick buck. If I were Mr. Kassab, I would be a bit offended if he’s including a Cody letter with his name on it in this fraudulent sale.
The only thing I want to add is the letter he is showing in his ad is dated 2-19-2016 so, he probably got one of his own and is not using Mr. Kassab’s. Other than that, I agree with all the other post about this seller.
Paul
I won’t go into to detail as to how I know how fake everything is. But it is funny how everything he has listed for sale is in “MINT” condition as described as such.
Maverick
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That’s the best 111 year old wooden box I’ve ever seen! The box must have been stored in an airtight museum vault to be in that condition. Here’s what a shipping box in good condition should look like:
Also interesting is the Guns International listing shows the rifle sale as “Pending” and Selling Dad’s Old Guns already has it listed on Gun Broker for nearly 100% more.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
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