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January 3, 2022 - 9:31 am
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Hello, I’m hoping one of you experts can help me solve what is so far a mystery.

A few years back I acquired a Model 70 in the 270 caliber at an auction. I never really tried to find the manufacturer date or book price until recently while considering a trade with a friend. Neither one of us have been able to find precise information on the rifle while trying to look it up by the serial number. I know I don’t have to go into detail about Winchester’s record keeping issues.

Any help you may be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

the serial is G171xxxx

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Paul,

It is a late 1980s U.S. Repeating Arms Company production rifle… and it has absolutely nothing to do with “Winchester” record keeping.

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Paul, all I can add is My Model 70 featherweight serial no. g1538xxx was wrapped in a Milwaukee Journal newspaper dated Dec. 31 1983. I don’t have a receipt so I don’t know what I paid but seem to recall about $400. Don

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Hi.  I also have a Winchester Model 70 w/ a similar serial # “G” followed by 7 digits.  Any help re year of manuf. would be appreciated:

G1969954

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JHanson907 said
Hi.  I also have a Winchester Model 70 w/ a similar serial # “G” followed by 7 digits.  Any help re year of manuf. would be appreciated:

G1969954

Jerry  

Jerry,

What you have is a U.S. Repeating Arms Company (U.S.R.A.Co.) manufactured Model 70 rifle with the leased “Winchester” trademarked name on it.  The U.S.R.A.Co. took over production of the Model 70 when Winchester (Olin Industries) licensed the “Winchester” and “Model 70” trademarks to the U.S. Repeating Arms Company on July 20th, 1981.  To the best of my knowledge, the U.S.R.A.Co. never released any serial number or date of manufacture lists for the Model 70 rifles that they manufactured from 1981 through March 2006.  When the U.S.R.A.Co. began production of the Model 70, the serial numbers were in the 1.525-million range.

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Curious on what might thought of this listing here? Winchester pre-64 Model 70 serial numbers 1 and 2 – Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com : 969539184

  

That pair of rifles is certainly of significant interest… but they most certainly are not worth 1.75-million dollars!

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Bert H. said That pair of rifles is certainly of significant interest… but they most certainly are not worth 1.75-million dollars!

No, one million would be my top offer.  But how in the world did a measly Gunbroker dealer get hold on such famous guns?  But I guess that’s no stranger than the factory sending them out for over-the-counter sale at a remote gun store, rather than making a special presentation of them to John Olin or some famous shooter like Whelen, Keith, etc.  An extravagant Rock Island promotion is the obvious place for them.  

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Hi Clarence-

M70 S/Ns 1 and 2 are pretty well documented, are presently owned by the same person, and have been “on-consignment” with this dealer for quite some time…  Both are, as expected, “used guns”… S/N 1 is in lesser condition and has a couple D&T holes in the barrel, but it is S/N 1 after all… S/N 2 used to be in Roger Rule’s collection, having gotten it after Mrs. Ethel Lied sold it…  Sold on (and reunited with S/N 1) when Roger dispersed his collection after his book came out…

Given the “asking price”, I’m not sure that the consignor/dealer are actually trying to sell.  FWIW… M70 S/Ns 3, 5, 6 and 9 have also “turned up” over the past several years and none has fetched more than about $30K.  Of course, they’re not S/N 1 either, but c’mon… Wink

FWIW… I’m currently housing S/N 5, which is somewhere between S/N 1 and 2 in condition.  Is it “real”????  Maybe…. Even if real, is it worth 1/5th of the asking price for S/N 1???  Not hardly!!!  

I know you were being facetious, but I don’t think your “top offer” should be more than $175K for the pair… Laugh I wouldn’t go that high…  No matter the “hype”, RIA couldn’t get close to the asking price for those two… 

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FWIW… I’m currently housing S/N 5, which is somewhere between S/N 1 and 2 in condition.  Louis Luttrell said

You should ask the seller what he’d pay to add your #5 to his collection; ought to bring a few hundred Gs at least. 

But aren’t you rather amazed that the factory could have been so blind to the unique status of #1, with its potential promotional & advertising value?  Their flagship rifle, mind you, not some budget priced .22.  In fact, I’d have thought the first 10 would have been set aside for distribution to VIPs. 

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Hi Clarence-

I don’t know… M70 S/N 4 (a Standard Rifle presumably in 30 GOV’T’06) is the one pictured in the inaugural M70 “Green Brochure”.  I’ve yet to find info on that one, maybe it’s in Cody???

FWIW… They didn’t retain M51 “Imperial” S/N 1 either.  T.C. Johnson’s personal gun… Well documented as such… FWIW… it’s pictured on the cover of Houze’s early Winchester bolt action book and Dan Sheuy included some of the Amoskeag auction pics of it in the article he wrote on the development of the .270 WCF in the WACA Collector issue-before last… The World’s first 270 WIN… Laugh

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We still need to find out CFM want’s it…  

Winchester didn’t seem to keep S/N 1 of everything… Confused

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No idea what they’re worth but I suspect the bidding would be a bit livelier if the decimal point on the minimum bid was moved two places to the left.

 

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No idea what they’re worth but I suspect the bidding would be a bit livelier if the decimal point on the minimum bid was moved two places to the left.

Not a serious attempt to sell; a serious attempt to sell would be consigning them to Rock Island.  Something else is going on here, which I suspect is not above board.  Like, for example, establishing an insurance value, in case they are “stolen.” 

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I suspect you’re right, RIA has been very successful with their marketing efforts in recent years. I suppose some mischief could be afoot, I hope that’s not the case. I just lost a long battle with an insurance company and quite frankly they don’t fight fair. I don’t see how a scam involving these rifles could be successful but I suppose it’s possible.

 

 

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