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January 29, 2024 - 9:14 pm
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Anthony,

That is very nice! And I agree that when sent back, it was updated with a new barrel, as it now has proof marks. Congrats it is a gem!

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That is very nice! And I agree that when sent back, it was updated with a new barrel, as it now has proof marks. Congrats it is a gem!

  

This sums up how I feel Cool

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It will be one of the Winchesters that I hand down to my Sons. It pleased me over the weekend that when I had it out to verify and send the information to John Madl that my oldest son took interest in it as he’s kinda partial to the Model 1873. For obvious reasons but he appreciates the historical meaning of the model 1886 and what a great model it is in it’s own rights. The rear sight is the flat top 22-j with elevator. The front sight a Lyman hunting #4 Ivory bead sight. The Lyman #1 tang sight has the “N” code stamp underneath on the base as suspected. I’m thinking that these sights might have been on the original barrel and moved to the current barrel, when the rifle was returned to the factory in 1914, with the possible exception of the front Lyman #4 Ivory bead sight that was considered an optional feature but is not stated in the 1963 letter. This is purely my speculation as a straight blade #21 front sight was considered standard. I agree with both of you gentlemen, yes it is a gem.Smile

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You state you are thinking of ordering a new letter.  What does the age of the letter mean and how would a new one differ from the one from 1963? 

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mrcvs,

I do like the look of the new Winchester letter as I stated I thought that it would look nice with the older letter. I do understand why you’re asking as to the idea of more information being available, is highly unlikely. IMO! Smile

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Antonio, Beautiful piece of history you have there! Congratulations on the find. All I can add is….Jealous!

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I agree it’s a beautiful piece of history, and that’s why we choose to share these historical Jem’s here with each other. Sometimes we get a little envious of what the next collector or someone else might have, but I think we work hard at keeping the jealousy at bay. I understand it’s not as easy as we’d like at times but trying is half the battle.Smile

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Finally had a chance to remove the forearm from the rifle and inspect the stamps there. Like John Madl suggested the Cloverleaf stamp is present but at this point not sure what that means, as possibly an Irish inspectors stamp.(? just my thought), The Caliber 38-56 stamp, NS stamp, VP in a Circle, and under the Case Hardened Cap and within some gorgeous case colors was a “P” on the face of the receiver, as I’m not sure what that is.

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