Here is a photo of my 66 musket from the Turkish contract, which is in centerfire. I have an interchangeable barrel in 44 russian and can shoot with it.

Greetings from Germany

Stefan

It was a rainy day here … so I spent some time on the WCA Forum today catching up.

This thread is very interesting … but I was surprised that no mention of the .47 C.F. was made. 

This unique CF cartridge was even advertised by Winchester in the late 1860’s. See picture below of an original advertisement that is hanging on my wall. Note the 47/100 and 44/100 calibers.

Being late 1860s … this was way earlier than the Brazil CF variation already discussed. 

From what I was able to glean from Parsons (page 45)  … the .47 CF was pictured along with the .44 RF on the cover of the 1869 Winchester Catalog.

Furthermore according to Parsons (pg 84)  – it appears this unique caliber was part of the foreign trials… and not put into production.

I find it strange that Winchester advertised the .47 CF from 1867 to 1871 … along with the standard 44RF.  They must have had some intentions of expanding cartridge offerings for the Winchester Repeating Rifle.

Mike

   On the lower part of the page I find the description of the ammunition, H marked for the gun metal guns and W marked for the iron frame military rifles very interesting. Was this military rifle to be 47 caliber?

  Great poster, never saw this before. T/R 

  I just looked in Herbert Houze’s book and he shows the same add on page 32. On page 34 it talks about the 47 cailber in the new model for military use. T/R

On the back side of my vintage advertising “Broadside” …on the cardboard retainer for the framed poster … it says:

Received at Winchester Gun Museum June 1942

The poster is old and original, and any collector of brass Winchesters and Henrys can appreciate the blunt and raw aspect of the wording …

I think it is very cool as well, and per Houze … it is from early 1867. 

Mike

For all, I’ve been staying quiet and letting things play out, but feel its time to jump in a bit here.  First, if you would like to view photos comparing cartridges known to fit into at least one 1866 SRC that was likely modified after leaving the factory to also fire center fire cartridges, refer to the Spring 2015 “Collector”, and you will see comparisons and discussions of the Henry Flat rimfire, the Henry Flat Centerfire, and the usable .44 American #3……pages 48 and 49.  I would have enjoyed having Rob’s input prior to the article, but it is what it is.  Now to the 47/100 Centerfire cartridge and its discussion.  The cartridge in question was chambered in the prototype model of 1868 which was all steel or iron.  More details on the musket and some on the cartridge are found in the Fall 2022 “Collector”, pages 46 thru 49.  Then I went into further details on the cartridge in the Winter 2023 edition of the “Collector” on pages 40-43.  On page 40 you will see a comparison of the lengths of the .45-75, the .46 or also called the .47 Oliver F. Winchester cartridge, and the .44 Henry Flat rimfire round.  You will see the means of construction of the .46 OFW, and probably why it was not in wide manufacture.  I think the lengths will show that the experimental .46/.47 OFW would not be able to load in a modified 1866 as the length is too much.  Similarly the prototype musket had to be altered to later chamber the .45-75 as again its action would be a tad short for that cartridge.  TR had a good eye to see the advertisement in Houze, and I would love to have an original of the advertisement!  Comparing the articles to the discussions on this thread will be of benefit, I think.  Tim

Cool info Tim.  I copied your post and put it in my 66 folder.  I will be out of contact for about 4 weeks so will look closer at what you referenced when I get back.