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October 1, 2020 - 9:51 am
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Good Day All ,

I am new to this Forum and this is my first post.
I am French and I have lived in Libreville – Gabon – Central Africa for 37 years.
I own several hunting guns including a Winchester M70 in 458WM, bought new in France at the end of the 80s, beginning of the 90s..
Despite the WACA page for finding the year of manufacture, I couldn’t find the one for my gun.
Could a good soul help me find this year.
The weapon number is G1766551.

I would put pictures as soon as I was allowed to upload them.

Thanks fo the help

Philippe

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Hello Philippe,

Your Model 70 was manufactured after Winchester ceased firearms production and sold the original New Haven factory to the U.S. Repeating Arms Company (U.S.R.A.Co.) in early 1981. Best guess, is that it was manufactured sometime in the mid 1980s.

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Hello Bert
Thank you for that answer .
But thanks to your information, I just found on the net a PDF document listing the manufacturing dates of the Winchester weapons, mine would be 1985.
Thanks again.
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Hi phil! Concerning the Model 70, there does now appear authoritative serial to production year listing data from 1936 into the early nineties as promulgated by Winchester. Such in PDF format, presumably the source you noted! Winchester went through a tough period concerning manufacturing design & quality in mid sixties with bad ‘rep’ resulting. If not aware, you should know that your rifle was well over a decade into the restored quality era. My Model 70 from early eighties in 7×57, really quite nice! I’d appreciate having a look at your referenced rifle and info concerning your impressions of quality, if convenient!

In wider discussion of Model 70 serials to production year; for info… I’ve viewed a serial listing/production year source through 1999. Never noted such accompanied with authoritative source attribution. Moreover as there, serial number listing rounded to even-thousands; supposition, extrapolation derived. I reference it occasionally as ‘best available’. Yet always against some background noise… ‘Garbage in, garbage out!’ 🙂
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Hi John ,

Thanks for the reply and the explanations .

I have this gun since a long time . And after hunting long years in the forest , it’s still in good condition and has never failed me !

For three years now, here in Gabon we can no longer hunt with calibers greater than 8mm. The 458 therefore remains in the gun cabinet.

Below is the link of the PDF document that I found on the net :

https://www.winchesterguns.com/content/dam/winchester-repeating-arms/support/faq/serial-number-reference/Winchester-Manufacture-Dates-by-Year-2012-Scanned-Documents.pdf

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Philippe, Welcome to the WINCHESTER FORUM.  Just a note of caution, Winchesters can become an addiction. I am a practicing addict and just wanted you to be aware.  You don’t have to be crazy to be a collector, but it helps.  Kiss Roger B. 

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As others will tell you, by 2012 Winchester was not actually Winchester anymore.  Winchester was sold and charts like you have shown are suspect at best.  WACA, this site, has access to the original Winchester files if they have survived and the real experts on this site will give you a more accurate answer.  1985 could be correct but no one really has the information to tell you positively.

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Just getting back here a bit late! Nice looking era rifle phil! Apparently “safe queen” by decree! Some of by yet great field guns, decades ago “safe queens” by ammo availability/costs!

My above reference SN/date info into 1992, the same as your source. Apparently quite true that file info remaining “in the wild” 🙂 so to speak, likely gone. However, my bet that Federal Law requires manufacturer flie retention, holding the same information we so often desire and more. As a firearm manufacturer out of business, almost surely to forward any hard copy and/or electronic records to ATF. They presumably hold such files. A narrowly constructed FOIA (Freedom of Informaiton Act) request by a credible organizaton cast as for “historic research/reference purposes”, might pry such loose. Such as individual request, almost surely classified as “curiousity”, to be blown off. “Form letter” denial.
Interesting about your naton laws phil! Here, even in California to my knowledge, protected species excepted, squirrel OK prey to your 458 Win!
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@rogertherelic , @chuck and @iskra ,

Thank you for your answers and your clarifications.
For @iskra, the new legislation on weapons in Gabon (less than 8mm) is due to the fight against elephant poaching.
We continue to declare and insure our weapons over 8mm but they have forbidden us to hunt with them.

Best and stay safe

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Well Phil… I’m an elephant fan and difficult for me to protest protecting them.
That said, sadly if like gun controls here in the States, most often simply controlling/restricting/guns as controlling honest folks. Such as ‘other’ category go on about their unlawful activities largely unaffected!

Quick aside. Wasn’t “Camp de Gaulle” in Libreville? Many years ago with a French girlfriend wrapping her Engineering Doctorate at U. Grenoble. Her brother in French Army formerly stationed at CdG. Speaking of Gabon as beautiful. Perhaps also about very good football team???
Best & Stay Safe!
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Phil241 said
Hello Bert

Thank you for that answer .

But thanks to your information, I just found on the net a PDF document listing the manufacturing dates of the Winchester weapons, mine would be 1985.

Thanks again.

Philippe

  

I had the exact same issue locating the year of mine and a serial number very close to yours. I think you solved my mystery 

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Phil241 said
Hi John ,

Thanks for the reply and the explanations .

I have this gun since a long time . And after hunting long years in the forest , it’s still in good condition and has never failed me !

For three years now, here in Gabon we can no longer hunt with calibers greater than 8mm. The 458 therefore remains in the gun cabinet.

Below is the link of the PDF document that I found on the net :

https://www.winchesterguns.com/content/dam/winchester-repeating-arms/support/faq/serial-number-reference/Winchester-Manufacture-Dates-by-Year-2012-Scanned-Documents.pdf

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The ivory piece on the pistol grip was added by me.

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Thanks 

Philippe

  

For some reason that link you provided no longer works 

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