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does anyone know when the “ gutta percha “ logo’d shotgun style buttplate first came on the scene ? Apologize for the poor picture but all I have for now til rifle arrives . Perspective , on an 1873 3rd model deluxe dom 1886 +-. I know the rubber pads and use has been around since the civil war era but trying to narrow it down when this style first surfaced on Winchester rifles . Cheers
thx GHH
In Jim Gordon’s book page 119 volume I, there’s a picture of a Winchester Repeating Arm’s rubber butt plate on 1873 s/n 223,032. Below the picture it says “Seldom seen”, looks like yours. T/R
Interesting . In pouring thru Madis books I see the same general reference . I don’t have Jim’s book . I will search out someone that does and have a peek . Thx !! Appreciate the reply
Ghh
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In my survey I only have 34 guns out of 17,698 with Rubber butt plates which I would say is a really rare feature and what I noticed is almost all the guns have other special features.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
The critical point I feel ? Is when Winchester adopted that logo and then when did the style start showing up . I have seen and owned numerous 1886 wins w the buttplate that’s a no brainer but this rifle is an 1873 special order , XXX walnut / job number on tang , checkered and case coloured . I am somewhat disadvantaged becuz I do not have the rifle “ inhand “ pics under buttplate show no evidence of the stock being cut . The borders around the plate are even and show no evidence of being later replaced or fitted . Would be a slam dunk if the tear drop comb inlet was present but this one is a flat fit , although the plate itself appears thicker than later period plates . LOP is apprx 13 1/8” which appears ok . I can see numerous pics in RL Wilson’s books w similar side views but there are no pics of the face of the plates nor the comb area where they fit . Anyways , appreciate the responses , should have it “ inhand “ in a week or so , and possibly the serial # search
cheers
ghh
What is the serial number?
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
A partial serial number does not work at Cody.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
I am well aware of that Bob ? but for this purpose and prior enquiry it works . Anyways …..
Accumulator said
I am well aware of that Bob ? but for this purpose and prior enquiry it works . Anyways …..
Apparently a partial serial number does not work because 185001-185999 were made in 1885 (not 1886) according to the WACA information under the research tab.
Are you sure of the serial number and/or the Cody letter date?
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Accumulator said
thx GHH
I can only speak somewhat intelligently about the use of the hard composition rubber butt plates on Winchester .22 rifles. The first use of the Winchester Trademark butt plate logo occurred after 1903 and was used on the Model 1902 when the steel butt plate was discontinued, then it was supplied as standard on the Model 1905 centerfire and subsequently was commonly supplied on many models after that.
All of the early butt plates were marked “Winchester Trademark” in the logo and circa 1935 the word “trademark” was dropped from the logo.
Your image is of the later (post 1935) logo style and if that is what is on your 1885/1886 vintage Model 73 it has been replaced.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
This is developing into one of those “ makes my head hurt “ episodes . Cody letter was the most basic info that u could imagine . No cal . Designation which generally means .44 and yet its .38-40. No mention of cased receiver , no mention of XXX wood , checkering , NADA. And yet I’ll hang up my hat if this ain’t right lol . When I get her inhand I’ll be able to speak more specifically . Thx all !! For the input
george 
George,
The reason the gun does not letter 38 is it was not a 38. The gun was modified to a 38. The gun has a 44 frame and the case color does not look right to me.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Gun looks refinished…..and like Bob said, the frame is for a 44 and not a 38…….Case colors do not match up to original Winchester or even Turnbull. Looks more like a Steven’s case color….
In the spirit of it’s a poor day you don’t learn something and short of pouring thru madis , what distinguish’s a .44 frame . ? Thx .
in the meantime I’ll start reading 🙂 madis
george
George,
The 44 frame is heavier around the barrel. The top of the frame between the chamber and barrel is flat. A 38, 32 or 22 steps down next to the barrel.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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