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My 94 is shooting 3 inches high at 25 yards. It currently has a ramped, hooded front sight blade that’s about .250″ high. Is this correct for this rifle? It’s a 1952 1894 Carbine 30-30.
Yes, my 1950 94 carbine has a 1/4 inch sight set onto of ramp. I’ve never shot mine at a target set at 25 yrds. Don’t knowwhere it would hit. I know it is dead on deer at 75 – 100. ?
Vince
Southern Oregon
NRA member
Fraternal Order of Eagles
“There is but one answer to be made to the dynamite bomb and that can best be made by the Winchester rifle.”
Teddy Roosevelt
from personal exp 30-30 drops like a rock and 100 yds is desired range. it needs to be high at 25 yds. your good!
It shoots high at 100 yards too! 3 inches high at 25 yards is a lot. It translates to 1 foot high at 100 yards. My rifle is pretty much sighted in for a 200 yard hold over.. meaning that it shoots high at any distance below that.
PUSHthe elevator on highest setting, if that doesnt help it then its F U K D. lol i dunno
patrick tompkins said
PUSHthe elevator on highest setting, if that doesnt help it then its F U K D. lol i dunno
I thought elevators increased hold over? I need to lower it more, but I cant haha. There has to be some user error in here somewhere.
In my lifetime, it has always been: move the rear sight the direction you want the bullet to go. Shooting high=lower the rear sight.
Also, with normal .30 WCF carbines and sights–to score a bulls-eye with a rifle sighted in for 100 yards, the bullet exits the barrel below the line of sight–crosses the line of sight on its way up–above the line of sight begins to drop–hits the target where the line of sight ends on the bulls-eye. Then you can grin and take a good whiff of the powder smoke.
If the above information is correct, and your line of sight is to a 100 yard bull, seems the bullet should be fairly close to a 25 yard bulls-eye as the bullet crosses the line of sight on its way up. A .30 WCF rifle sighted in for a 100 yard bull, should be able to take off a grouse’s head at 25 yards if you aim just below its beak–a hit high or low bags the headless grouse. (Although a .30 caliber center fire cartridge is an illegal round for harvesting grouse in the state where I shoot grouse with a rifle.)
If it were my problem, I’d lower my rear sight. Check to see if there is a screw on your rear sight, which in loosening it, will allow you to lower a small insert.
If none of this is possible, try different ammunition: weights, manufacturers, (?).
If still high, ruin the monetary value of your rear sight–get out a file and/or an evil Dremel tool and cut the notch in the rear sight to be lower.
If your front sight is too low and you are bottomed out on the rear sight, you might need to raise the front sight to bring the bullet down. That could mean you will be shopping for a HIGHER front sight.
Finally (except for the nonsense below) remove the rear sight. Insert a blank in its place. Install a Lyman or Marble’s tang sight. Live happily ever after.
(Or turn the rifle magazine-side-up, and adjust the sights for bulls-eyes!)
(If that doesn’t work,my last ditch effort would be to mount several mirrors on your rifle to adjust the images of the sights and target. Prior to shooting purchase a box of cigars. Wouldn’t be the first time Smoke and Mirrors were employed to ensure a good outcome.)
FromTheWoods said
In my lifetime, it has always been: move the rear sight the direction you want the bullet to go. Shooting high=lower the rear sight.
Also, with normal .30 WCF carbines and sights–to score a bulls-eye with a rifle sighted in for 100 yards, the bullet exits the barrel below the line of sight–crosses the line of sight on its way up–above the line of sight begins to drop–hits the target where the line of sight ends on the bulls-eye. Then you can grin and take a good whiff of the powder smoke.
If the above information is correct, and your line of sight is to a 100 yard bull, seems the bullet should be fairly close to a 25 yard bulls-eye as the bullet crosses the line of sight on its way up. A .30 WCF rifle sighted in for a 100 yard bull, should be able to take off a grouse’s head at 25 yards if you aim just below its beak–a hit high or low bags the headless grouse. (Although a .30 caliber center fire cartridge is an illegal round for harvesting grouse in the state where I shoot grouse with a rifle.)
If it were my problem, I’d lower my rear sight. Check to see if there is a screw on your rear sight, which in loosening it, will allow you to lower a small insert.
If none of this is possible, try different ammunition: weights, manufacturers, (?).
If still high, ruin the monetary value of your rear sight–get out a file and/or an evil Dremel tool and cut the notch in the rear sight to be lower.
If your front sight is too low and you are bottomed out on the rear sight, you might need to raise the front sight to bring the bullet down. That could mean you will be shopping for a HIGHER front sight.
Finally (except for the nonsense below) remove the rear sight. Insert a blank in its place. Install a Lyman or Marble’s tang sight. Live happily ever after.
(Or turn the rifle magazine-side-up, and adjust the sights for bulls-eyes!)
(If that doesn’t work,my last ditch effort would be to mount several mirrors on your rifle to adjust the images of the sights and target. Prior to shooting purchase a box of cigars. Wouldn’t be the first time Smoke and Mirrors were employed to ensure a good outcome.)
Haha, great answer. The gun is all original and 99% on everything, so it’ll hurt me to alter anything. I have a lyman sight coming and some interchangeable front sights to see if I can fix the groups. I lowered that “tiny slot thing” in the rear sight as much as I could, but still can’t get on target. I hope some of that works.
Tran said
At 100 yards, mine shoots high
Is this what your rear elevator looks like? alt=”” />
Looks like mine.
Vince
Southern Oregon
NRA member
Fraternal Order of Eagles
“There is but one answer to be made to the dynamite bomb and that can best be made by the Winchester rifle.”
Teddy Roosevelt
FWIW, I too have a Model 94 that shoots high…3 – 3 1/2″ @ 100 yds. from a rest with 150 & 170 gr. loads @ the lowest elevator setting. The sight’s elevator is the same style as shown in the previously posted photo, & I’ve even completely removed it in hopes of bringing groups down to no avail. When physically compared to several other Model 94s the front sight is obviously shorter.
My carbine is late war production in “collector” condition, and I’ve pondered as to how & why this configuration came about. Both the hood & sight have absolutely no signs of ever having been removed or messed with, & I’ve basically arrived @ the conclusion this may very well have been a case of the wrong sight having been installed @ the factory…which caused it to shoot high from day one; thereby causing the previous owner/owners to use it little; which has accounted for its current near-mint condition after all these years, thus allowing it to become a very-welcomed addition to my collection. Another anomaly is that it has long headspace.
Anyway, I’ve relegated it to being a “looker,” & have no intention of changing the sight or firing it on a regular basis so it’s really not an issue; just a pretty “curiosity.”
Interestingly, of all the long arms I’ve fired over the years, many Model 94s are the most inaccurate & troublesome I’ve encountered. But they are truly works of art, of which I have several.
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