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Hello,
I never gave this much thought but iv,e been told by a reliable source that the screws heads on the receiver on early 1894,s are case colored.the collector who told me said he discussed this with the late Walt Holstien not sure if that is the correct spelling.The best example of this my friend told me ironically is on the front page of this site it,s a 1894 SRC in 32/40. He had that carbine in his hand some years ago and there was distinct case coloring on the screw heads.i,m i the one of the few that doesn’t know this.I spoke with a restorer and he told me there not case colored ,he told me their charcoal blued.I would like some clarification on this please.
John K.
John,
I know the 73’s and 94’s had case harden screws to some point after the turn of the century. I have a 1901 94 and a 1903 73 with cased screws. My guess would be when they started to blue hammer and levers.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
John
Yes they case hardened many of the screws on the 94s. Winchester used a different wood to bone ratio on the screws then they did on the levers and hammers. This and they didn’t put a varnish/shellac on the screws, caused the screws to silver quickly.
Mike
Mike,
I looked at a couple of my early near mint 1894,s the earliest with a 232,000 serial number they both had blued hammer screws the others were worn,did Winchester start bluing these screws when case hardening became a special order after 1901.
John K
John
The info that I have dated April 6 1903, shows the hammer screws as being case hardened
Mike
Mike,
when do you believe Winchester switched over to blued receiver screws?
john k.
John,
In 1916 is when they went to blued lever and hammers so the screws would have gone blue at that time for sure but I don’t know if they would of changed earlier. I have a 1911 model 94 and it kind of looks like they are cased screws but its hard to tell. All Winchester screws were hardened so if they were blued the bluing didn’t stick as well so they would wear off quick and look cased.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Hello,
I am 30 pages deep in the rifles section looking for a topic that fits what I am doing and since I have not found a specific thread on my topic please pardon my attempt at changing the subject of this thread.
I am in the process of disassembling an early Model 1894 rifle (manufacture date approx 1911) and am having a rough go at removing two screws.
They are the fasteners that secure the carrier guides to the side of the receiver. One of the screws is easily accessed through the loading gate aperture but, someone before me, (a likely phrase but true I swear) has attempted to remove the screw and did a number on the head. I went after it with full zeal and not only further buggered the screw head but also twisted a a 150-03 bit from my magna tip driver set grrrrrr! At any rate I think I will have to resort to drilling the screw out as I see no other means of removing it.
The screw holding the the guide on the other side of the receiver is pristine and not been tampered with and I’m pretty certain that I know why; there is NO STRAIGHT LINE ACCESS TO IT! The only way I can imagine removing it would be with a stubby bit and a ratchet style wrench but, based on how snug the buggered up screw is, I am not holding out a great deal of hope.
Is there anyone out there that: A) understands which two fasteners I have described and
B) can assist me in getting these fasteners out so that I can polish and then Case Colour Harden the receiver
Any help in this matter is GREATLY appreciated, and if anyone knows where this topic has appeared previously, please feel free to copy and paste it there as well as letting me know where it is.
Thanks in advance all!
WEB
The cartridge guide screws are hard to get out for the most part. There are some folks out there that probably have made a screwdriver that is bent to fit into the receiver but I havent gone that far, unless something is broke or in your case your refinishing a gun, there isnt any need to take those out. That being said, the left guide screw can be accessed through the loading gate area but is still at a bit of an angle. The right guide screw can be accessed though the screw hole of the left cartridge guide screw. You need a small enough screwdriver to do it plus with the right head so that you dont strip. Be sure to use some kind of penetrating lubricant on the screw–I use PB Blaster from the auto parts store and others prefer a soak in Kroil. If the screw head is already messed up you likely going to have to drill out the screw. If you mess up the threads in the process you will have to re-run the threads with the correct tap. And, if you drill the screw out you will have to find another screw on ebay or Gunbroker to replace it.
1892takedown @sbcglobal.net ......NRA Endowment Life Member.....WACA Member
"God is great.....beer is good.....and people are crazy"... Billy Currington
Those screws loosened themselves in one of our 1894 rifles. I bent and ground two screwdrivers to be able to tighten those screws. The screwdrivers had differing angled tips in order to make a complete 1/2 turn of the screws. The screws did snug up, but not as tightly as I would have liked. If they show signs of backing out again, I might have to use something to temporarily lock them in place.
I doubt that a tight screw could be loosened by my screwdrivers. The one’s I used were of low quality metal. And it was difficult to effect pressure on the screws.
Perhaps someone who knows metal, and has a shop could help you with building drivers, or better yet, how ’bout a gunsmith to help you with that problem screw?
WEB said
Hello,
I am 30 pages deep in the rifles section looking for a topic that fits what I am doing and since I have not found a specific thread on my topic please pardon my attempt at changing the subject of this thread.
I am in the process of disassembling an early Model 1894 rifle (manufacture date approx 1911) and am having a rough go at removing two screws.
They are the fasteners that secure the carrier guides to the side of the receiver. One of the screws is easily accessed through the loading gate aperture but, someone before me, (a likely phrase but true I swear) has attempted to remove the screw and did a number on the head. I went after it with full zeal and not only further buggered the screw head but also twisted a a 150-03 bit from my magna tip driver set grrrrrr! At any rate I think I will have to resort to drilling the screw out as I see no other means of removing it.
The screw holding the the guide on the other side of the receiver is pristine and not been tampered with and I’m pretty certain that I know why; there is NO STRAIGHT LINE ACCESS TO IT! The only way I can imagine removing it would be with a stubby bit and a ratchet style wrench but, based on how snug the buggered up screw is, I am not holding out a great deal of hope.
Is there anyone out there that: A) understands which two fasteners I have described and
B) can assist me in getting these fasteners out so that I can polish and then Case Colour Harden the receiver
Any help in this matter is GREATLY appreciated, and if anyone knows where this topic has appeared previously, please feel free to copy and paste it there as well as letting me know where it is.
Thanks in advance all!
WEB
WEB said
Hello,
I am 30 pages deep in the rifles section looking for a topic that fits what I am doing and since I have not found a specific thread on my topic please pardon my attempt at changing the subject of this thread.
I am in the process of disassembling an early Model 1894 rifle (manufacture date approx 1911) and am having a rough go at removing two screws.
They are the fasteners that secure the carrier guides to the side of the receiver. One of the screws is easily accessed through the loading gate aperture but, someone before me, (a likely phrase but true I swear) has attempted to remove the screw and did a number on the head. I went after it with full zeal and not only further buggered the screw head but also twisted a a 150-03 bit from my magna tip driver set grrrrrr! At any rate I think I will have to resort to drilling the screw out as I see no other means of removing it.
The screw holding the the guide on the other side of the receiver is pristine and not been tampered with and I’m pretty certain that I know why; there is NO STRAIGHT LINE ACCESS TO IT! The only way I can imagine removing it would be with a stubby bit and a ratchet style wrench but, based on how snug the buggered up screw is, I am not holding out a great deal of hope.
Is there anyone out there that: A) understands which two fasteners I have described and
B) can assist me in getting these fasteners out so that I can polish and then Case Colour Harden the receiver
Any help in this matter is GREATLY appreciated, and if anyone knows where this topic has appeared previously, please feel free to copy and paste it there as well as letting me know where it is.
Thanks in advance all!
WEB
Hi,
I had the same problem. I had an old 32WS SRC circa 1911 around 45yrs ago. This that had really no redemption qualities whatsoever. I totally rebuilt it and had the barrel opened to 38-55. I had to change out the cartridge guide rails and ran into the same problem as you. All you have to do is cut off a portion of an allen wrench so it will fit into the receiver. Hollow grind the end into a screwdriver and you’ll be able to get the screw in or out. Just make sure you save it for the next time! BTW I still have that carbine and I think it came out good as or better that the forgeries on the net now Case coloring and all…….
Len
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