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I am looking at a Winchester 1892 in 44-40, that is a takedown rifle. However, both the barrel and the receiver have a PW in a circle, on them. Does that mean the barrel is a replacement? I thought I read somewhere that was an indication the barrel had been replaced by Winchester.
I thank you for any help you can give me on this.
Richard
Richard,
No, it does not mean the barrel was replaced. Instead, it indicates that the rifle was manufactured after July, 1905 when the superposed “WP” was first used, or was returned to the factory after July 1905.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Richard Pike said
I am looking at a Winchester 1892 in 44-40, that is a takedown rifle. However, both the barrel and the receiver have a PW in a circle, on them. Does that mean the barrel is a replacement? I thought I read somewhere that was an indication the barrel had been replaced by Winchester.I thank you for any help you can give me on this.
Richard
Hello Richard,
Winchester began the practice of marking the receiver and barrel with the super posed W/P proof mark begining in mid 1905. For the Model 1892 rifles it occurs consistently right around SN 300000 and is consistent until the end of production. This mark indicated the the rifle has been fully assembled and test fired and cleared all subsequent inspections and was fit for sale. This stamp is NOT an indication of a replacement barrel.
If you would like I am happy to look at any photos of the rifle and advise and answer any questions you might have.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
twobit said
Richard Pike said
I am looking at a Winchester 1892 in 44-40, that is a takedown rifle. However, both the barrel and the receiver have a PW in a circle, on them. Does that mean the barrel is a replacement? I thought I read somewhere that was an indication the barrel had been replaced by Winchester.I thank you for any help you can give me on this.
Richard
Hello Richard,
Winchester began the practice of marking the receiver and barrel with the super posed W/P proof mark begining in mid 1905. For the Model 1892 rifles it occurs consistently right around SN 300000 and is consistent until the end of production. This mark indicated the the rifle has been fully assembled and test fired and cleared all subsequent inspections and was fit for sale. This stamp is NOT an indication of a replacement barrel.
If you would like I am happy to look at any photos of the rifle and advise and answer any questions you might have.
Michael
Michael, the rifle I am looking at is on “Brand Used Works” auction sight. It is listed as Lot #717. I would be interested in what you think it is worth.
I appreciate your clarification on the WP stamp. Any information you can offer on this rifle would be greatly appreciated.
Richard
Bert H. said
Richard,
No, it does not mean the barrel was replaced. Instead, it indicates that the rifle was manufactured after July, 1905 when the superposed “WP” was first used, or was returned to the factory after July 1905.
Bert
Bert, thank you for the clarification. As always I appreciate your input.
Richard
Richard Pike said
Michael, the rifle I am looking at is on “Brand Used Works” auction sight. It is listed as Lot #717. I would be interested in what you think it is worth.
I appreciate your clarification on the WP stamp. Any information you can offer on this rifle would be greatly appreciated.
Richard
Hello Richard,
I saw the gun as I was cataloging the Model 1892’s in this auction. Obviously, the rear sight is totally not original. the wood was sanded a long time ago and refinished. The metal is pitted in spots and the bluing is thin to non existent on the receiver. The positive points are the 44 WCF caliber, takedown frame and the $100 folding peep sight. My guess is that it will sell in the $1200 to $1400 range and then show up on a dealers site for about $2000 to $2200.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
twobit said
Hello Richard,
I saw the gun as I was cataloging the Model 1892’s in this auction. Obviously, the rear sight is totally not original. the wood was sanded a long time ago and refinished. The metal is pitted in spots and the bluing is thin to non existent on the receiver. The positive points are the 44 WCF caliber, takedown frame and the $100 folding peep sight. My guess is that it will sell in the $1200 to $1400 range and then show up on a dealers site for about $2000 to $2200.
Michael
Michael, thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions, I really appreciate it. I have an 1892 with a round barrel in 25-20. Although it has no pitting, the bluing has turned to a brownish patina over the entire rifle. I am looking to upgrade to a better 1892. I have one or two Winchesters rifles from 1866 to model 88. Some like the 1892 I bought as “place holders” until I could find better ones.
Richard
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