Winchester 1886 receiver sight help|Winchester Rifles|Forum|Winchester Collector

Roger,

Based on my observations, all of the various receiver mounted peep sights used the same hole spacing… e.g. Lyman, Redfield, Williams, etc.  Winchester primarily used Lyman sights.

What is the serial number on your Model 1886?  A very small number of the late production 33 WCF rifles were equipped with a Lyman No. 56 receiver sight.

Bert

ROGER lane said
sn:145038 

Not quite late enough for a factory drilled & tapped receiver.  Have you contacted Cody for a research sheet or factory letter?

Is the rifle a Solid frame or a Take Down? Plain pistol grip or Fancy?  Pictures?

Bert

sb said

Bert H. said

ROGER lane said

sn:145038 

Not quite late enough for a factory drilled & tapped receiver.  Have you contacted Cody for a research sheet or factory letter?

Is the rifle a Solid frame or a Take Down? Plain pistol grip or Fancy?  Pictures?

Bert 

Are there 86s that letter with the Lyman 48?  Or are they too late to letter?

I typo’d that… I meant to say “No. 56” (the same sight used on the Model 71).

They are all too late to letter. The few that I have found also have Proof Steel barrels versus the older Nickel Steel.

Bert

ROGER lane said
Yes it has a proof steel barrel. it did letter it came with the rifle. So a lyman 56A would be the right sight?  What about the letter stating pistol grip would it say with checkering? it has the pistol grip cap with no checkering.

  

Roger,

What is the “received in warehouse” date on the letter?

Yes, a Lyman No. 56A would be the most appropriate receiver sight.

If the rifle as a pistol grip without checkering, the factory letter would only state “Pistol grip”.  I would very much like to see a copy of the factory letter.

Bert

sb said

ROGER lane said

Yes it has a proof steel barrel. it did letter it came with the rifle. So a lyman 56A would be the right sight?  What about the letter stating pistol grip would it say with checkering? it has the pistol grip cap with no checkering.

The Lyman 56 wasn’t being produced when that rifle was made.   If the rifle was checkered by Winchester,  the letter should say so.  But, there were many pistol grip Winchesters made without checkering  

If the rifle letters with a Proof Steel barrel, it is entirely possible for it to also have been equipped with a Lyman No. 56A sight.  In this case, the receiver frame was most likely manufactured in the year 1909 or 1910, but then sat in the parts bin unassembled for approximately 25-years.  I really would like to see the factory letter!

Bert

sb said

Bert H. said

sb said

ROGER lane said

Yes it has a proof steel barrel. it did letter it came with the rifle. So a lyman 56A would be the right sight?  What about the letter stating pistol grip would it say with checkering? it has the pistol grip cap with no checkering.

The Lyman 56 wasn’t being produced when that rifle was made.   If the rifle was checkered by Winchester,  the letter should say so.  But, there were many pistol grip Winchesters made without checkering  

If the rifle letters with a Proof Steel barrel, it is entirely possible for it to also have been equipped with a Lyman No. 56A sight.  In this case, the receiver frame was most likely manufactured in the year 1909 or 1910, but then sat in the parts bin unassembled for approximately 25-years.  I really would like to see the factory letter!

Bert

For that to be the case, the letter would show no information available?  If it shows a 1908, 1909, 1910 ship date, the sight would have been non factory,  right?

If the letter lists the Proof Steel barrel (as Roger stated it does), it cannot be showing “no information available”.  If it shows a Sold date in the range you mention, it cannot have an original Proof Steel barrel, and Yes, a receiver sight would not be factory original.  The key to figuring all of this out is seeing the information listed on the factory letter.

Bert

ROGER lane said
Bert I over looked the stamp for a barrel it has the wp and circle p. received in warehouse on sept. 19th 1908  Bert i’ll send the letter to your e-mail 

  

The circle “P” indicates that it is not the original barrel.  The received in warehouse date all but eliminates the possibility of the receiver frame being factory drilled & tapped for the receiver sight.

Does the rifle have a full length or a shorter magazine?  Black hard rubber butt plate or something else?

Bert

ROGER lane said
Bert it’s a short mag did you get the email of the letter on the 1886?

  

I did receive it, and I sent you a reply message.  The CFM research sheet clearly indicates that it was manufactured with a plain (non-checkered) pistol grip stock. The original barrel was Nickel Steel, and the receiver frame was not drilled & tapped for a sight.

Bert