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in this letter, what might “R. Butt” mean?  Rifle buttstock???  I’m not sure why this would be in the letter, though.

It’s interesting this one letters as casehardened as that was standard at that time.

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Rubber buttplate is what I think that is.  I have usually seen it spelled out but maybe the person doing the warehouse records that day was in a rush.

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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Casehardening was noted because it was not standard, and someone likely paid extra for it. 

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The first 38’s were standard with a shotgun butt and eventually  changed to the rifle buttplate as standard just about this time so its probably means rifle butt.

The standard finish of the 73 is Blued so anything else is stated even with a deluxe.

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1873man said
The first 38’s were standard with a shotgun butt and eventually  changed to the rifle buttplate as standard just about this time so its probably means rifle butt.

I wasn’t aware of that Bob or if it’s been mentioned, I’ve forgotten since then. Interesting.

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Early on, at least until 1883 when mine dates from, I was under the impression that casehardening was standard.

I cannot access this rifle right now, but I seem to recall it had a crescent buttolate.  I’d be surprised if it had a rubber buttolate.

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The 86 was cased at first and then they blued them unless special ordered.

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Early on, at least until 1883 when mine dates from, I was under the impression that casehardening was standard.

I cannot access this rifle right now, but I seem to recall it had a crescent buttolate.  I’d be surprised if it had a rubber buttolate.  

  1873s and 1876s came standard with a blued receiver. The 1886 came standard with a case colored receiver until about s/n 122,000 when blue was standard. The exception was the 1886 take-down, it came blued before s/n 122,000. T/R 

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mrcvs said
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in this letter, what might “R. Butt” mean?  Rifle buttstock???  I’m not sure why this would be in the letter, though.

It’s interesting this one letters as casehardened as that was standard at that time.  

The 38 cal guns were fitted with a shotgun buttstock as standard from aprox. serial 85,000 to aprox 145,000 serial range . yours falls right in this range and would have had a shotgun butt. that R means the customer specified rifle butt.  standard 38 cal rifles that fall within this aprox. serial range will not state in the ledgers shotgun butt  as it was considered standard.  furthermore I have seen  R butt  used in ledgers with many other models as well. It is up to us as collectors to determine what was standard equipment at the time the gun was made so we know what the records keeper was interpreting. for example the 1886 extra lightweight, i have one with a rifle butt and ledger says R butt. 

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Okay so rifle buttstock it is!  I’m fairly certain it has a crescent buttplate as it was otherwise, I would have recalled as such.

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