twobit said

Burt Humphrey said

 
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  
That is correct for a standard length barrel.  The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP's 1886.
Michael
  

1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
  

Enclosed is another listing of a 1886 in 45-70 ELW 22 inch with correct caliber stamp on top of barrel

VERY HIGH CONDITION 122 YEAR-OLD WINCHESTER MODEL 1886 RIFLE from COLLECTING TEXAS – FACTORY LETTER – 45/70 CALIBER for sale

This and Bert's should verify correct originality

Thanks

Pat

I am once again seeking your advice on a vintage Winchester 1873. I just found one for sale with a 24" octagonal barrel chambered in.32-20. The gun looks decent enough for the price being asked, but I am puzzled by an image showing this gun with a trapdoor for cleaning equipment. According to my copy of Arhur Pirkle´s book on the early Winchesters no .32 caliber gun was delivered with such a trapdoor. 

What are you guy´s opinion on this? Could it be a replacement or perhaps a special order feature?

I have attached photos of the gun as posted on a sales forum by the current owner. Hope that helps for you who can help me in turn.

Thanks in advance for everyone chiming in on this!f

Fred, 

Norway

Michael

twobit said

Burt Humphrey said

 
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  
That is correct for a standard length barrel.  The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP's 1886.
Michael
  

1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
  

twobit said

Burt Humphrey said

 
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  
That is correct for a standard length barrel.  The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP's 1886.
Michael
  

1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
  

  

I thought that was probbly the case - here is a 92 SRC, also 1907, with the caliber stamp on the top of the barrel as I assume it should be.

Burt Humphrey said

twobit said

The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  

That is correct for a standard length barrel.  The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP's 1886.

Michael

1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel

  

twobit said

Bert H. said

twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  

Just like the Model 1894, the Model 1886 barrels had the caliber marking on the 12 o'clock barrel position up through mid year 1907 when it was rotated to the left side (10 o'clock) position.  The rifle in question was assembled in 1905.
Bert
  

On the Model 1892 the caliber stamp did not begin to appear with any sort of consistency until mid 1908.  The barrel address stayed on the top of the barrel.  Here is my collection of 22 inch barrel length 1892 that are all pre 1908 and have the caliber stamp purposefully located on the left side of the barrel.
Michael

1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel

antler1 said

tionesta1 said
That's a very nice model 1886 takedown, and as others have stated appears to be all original. Since the features do not match the letter (which in my opinion the mistake was made by whoever recorded it), it would help for resale if you took pictures of the matching numbers from the tang and stock to prove it left the factory as is.
Al
  

Very good idea. Thank You
  

A very good point Al!

Tony

tionesta1 said
That's a very nice model 1886 takedown, and as others have stated appears to be all original. Since the features do not match the letter (which in my opinion the mistake was made by whoever recorded it), it would help for resale if you took pictures of the matching numbers from the tang and stock to prove it left the factory as is.
Al
  

Very good idea. Thank You

Al

Bert H. said

twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  

Just like the Model 1894, the Model 1886 barrels had the caliber marking on the 12 o'clock barrel position up through mid year 1907 when it was rotated to the left side (10 o'clock) position.  The rifle in question was assembled in 1905.
Bert
  

On the Model 1892 the caliber stamp did not begin to appear with any sort of consistency until mid 1908.  The barrel address stayed on the top of the barrel.  Here is my collection of 22 inch barrel length 1892 that are all pre 1908 and have the caliber stamp purposefully located on the left side of the barrel.

Michael

twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel.  The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892's The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it.  As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.  
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
  

Just like the Model 1894, the Model 1886 barrels had the caliber marking on the 12 o'clock barrel position up through mid year 1907 when it was rotated to the left side (10 o'clock) position.  The rifle in question was assembled in 1905.

Bert

Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?

I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle.  They can sometimes be "open for interpretation" if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.

Michael

MidwestCrisis said
Would the Argentinian re-bore be for the 45 ACP    I saw Mark Novak do a video on a 92 in 45-ACP that I really enjoyed.  That rifle didn’t run.  So I’m happy yours didn’t meet the same fate and is properly curated.  It’s funny, I’ll say, you and I buy the same guns according to the purist.  You seem to enjoy the pretty ones.  I tend to buy poor condition affordable guns, but I make sure it has a good bore.  I like the character, you seem to pride your collection on the pristine.  I appreciate what you’re doing though.  That’s what I enjoy about this forum. 
  

Fixed it for you 😉