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20180315_194106.jpgImage EnlargerJust added a 92 to the safe and it has the “mod 1892” marking behind the hammer. Who can tell me about this marking? Rare? Serial 5143xx. Thanks

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Mark,

I will assume that you meant to say that the “Mod 1892” marking is behind the hammer. Michael (2bit) will be the fellow with the best answer to your question.

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You didn’t mention the serial number, but model 1892’s marked just behind the hammer were intended for export.  Most were sent to Britain or British colonies.  These guns are generally found in the 435,000 to 523,000 serial range.  This is a marking not often encountered.

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I did mention the serial number 5143xx.

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Mark,

While on the WACA forums, we ask that you provide the complete serial number.

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514307. Doesnt seem to be to much info on here. Nice of win457 to respond but that was pretty much straight out of the madis book. Anybody else?? Any numbers of how many marked like this that did not go to britain? Of the ones that did go to britain are they marked on the metal or wood with any specific markings? Thanks.

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I once owned a Winchester 1892 that was shipped to South Africa which was at that time a British Colony. It had some proof markings on the barrel about where the caliber marking is located. I think one was an “N.P.” which I presume stood for Nitro Proof. The Cody Museum identified it as having been an export gun to South Africa. It was a long time ago and I have no photos to share, My apology for offering such scant help. If sent to Britain it should have been marked by proof marks on the barrel and possibly receiver as well.

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As Bert has said, Michael is the resident expert on 1892’s. If he were around, he would be answering you. Probably shooting pigs in texas. 

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Clipper47 said
I once owned a Winchester 1892 that was shipped to South Africa which was at that time a British Colony. It had some proof markings on the barrel about where the caliber marking is located. I think one was an “N.P.” which I presume stood for Nitro Proof. The Cody Museum identified it as having been an export gun to South Africa. It was a long time ago and I have no photos to share, My apology for offering such scant help. If sent to Britain it should have been marked by proof marks on the barrel and possibly receiver as well.  

Thanks for the input Clipper47!

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Your welcome. I do have a couple of British proofed guns from the era of your Winchester that I could photograph and email you if you PM your address.

this site may assist you….

http://www.hallowellco.com/british_proof%20marks%20-%20syntax%20by%20date.htm

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win4575 said
You didn’t mention the serial number, but model 1892’s marked just behind the hammer were intended for export.  Most were sent to Britain or British colonies.  These guns are generally found in the 435,000 to 523,000 serial range.  This is a marking not often encountered.  

As was mentioned by Mark Minnillo this is information right out of Madis and based on my research is not correct.   The tang stamp you are referring to is found on approximately 13,000 Model 1892 rifles.  Another 12,000 or so are missing the small “MOD 1892” stamped transverse to the tang.  These markings are found almost exclusively in the SN 476000 to 500000 range and then sporadically afterwards.   Coinciding to 1909 production. The latest one I have seen is in the 520300 range.  I have cataloged 233 individual rifles in this range, marked as such, and not one of them has any English proof stamps.  What is conspicuous is the this tang stamp style, without the small MOD 1892 portion was also introduced into the production of the Model 1890 slide action .22 caliber rifles “in the early SN 400000 range” (Schwing page 76) which just so happens to be during 1909!!   Now this is not a problem with the Model 1890 at the time since the Model designation for those rifles was placed on the barrel.  But when the stamp style was used on the 1892’s there was a BIG problem that the rifle had NO Model designation on it.  Thus I believe the hurried introduction of the small MOD 1892 stamp on some of the guns.  My gut feeling is that this was a manufacturing error made by Winchester.

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As Bert has said, Michael is the resident expert on 1892’s. If he were around, he would be answering you. Probably shooting pigs in texas.   

Almost!!!   Getting ready to shoot pigs with my brother who is coming from Michigan, starting Wednesday evening until the following Monday.  

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20180315_194106.jpgImage EnlargerJust added a 92 to the safe and it has the “mod 1892” marking behind the hammer. Who can tell me about this marking? Rare? Serial 5143xx. Thanks  

Hello Mark,

Can you please send me a series of additional photos so that I can add your rifle into my survey?  I have 514304 (SRC in 38 WCF) and it is marked similarly.  Let me know if you have any further questions regarding this rifle.  Do you have any other 1892’s?  My email is [email protected]    Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  These guys are just jealous of the hog hunting!!  LaughCoolSurprised!!

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Jealous of the hog hunting AND the nice gobbler in the first pic, Michael. My brother is down your way this weekend and so far they haven’t bagged one. Hope you and your brother have a good hunt.

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Jealous of the hog hunting AND the nice gobbler in the first pic, Michael. My brother is down your way this weekend and so far they haven’t bagged one. Hope you and your brother have a good hunt.  

Back from the hunt.  Tally for the 5 days was 8 hogs, one coyote, 3 raccoons.  All, accept the coyote done with bows.  Check out this ear piercing on the last hog I killed.   His head was down, the arrow went through his body and far side ear and the point hit the ground stopping the arrow.  Then as the hog ran off the arrow was stuck thru the piercing with the broad head open as he ran forward.  I found the hog 60 yards later and was shocked to wee he had carried the arrow with him!!!   Crazy!

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Good job, Michael. I think that ear stud is a rather stylish fashion accessory but what do hogs know about fashion? Better question; what do I know about fashion? Oh well, I like it. 😉

 

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2bit:

   Am I reading your post above correctly ?   There are approx. 12,000 Model 1892s in existence with no model number stamping on them at all?  And they were manuf. about 1909?

 

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2bit:

   Am I reading your post above correctly ?   There are approx. 12,000 Model 1892s in existence with no model number stamping on them at all?  And they were manuf. about 1909?

 

Thanks,

Charles  

That is absolutely correct based on the data I have collected Charles.

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Thanks… that is interesting.   How many of the approx. 12,000 have you catalogued?

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Thanks… that is interesting.   How many of the approx. 12,000 have you catalogued?  

Right around 75 of them.  Close to 228 total rifles with the unique tang stamp which either do or do not the small 1892 on them.

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