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Insanity at its finest…
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 5, 2014
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Ben-
Since you asked… First, I ain’t got that kind of money; and second, I ain’t that stupid… So NO… I was not involved at any pont…
This auction came up recently on this Forum.. IMHO it’s another auction fluke… M70s, even at RIA, are NOT suddenly worth more than 10X their high estimate… If that were true, then I’d be rich!!! 
I’m NOT…
Like Ben says it was two guys with deep pockets butting heads… One on-line and the other on the phone… Doubtful either had seen the gun in-person, but maybe they did??? SG Carbines were never cataloged and without (nonexistent) documentation they’re ALL suspect. If I wanted to I could “create” a SG Carbine tomorrow that (almost) nobody could “disprove” b/c I have a “spare” Carbine and a “spare” standard Super with serial numbers within 10,000 of one another. I like the guns the way they are…
I’ll say this again b/c it was suggested before… I know (with certainty) that the bidder who got the Ulrich engraved “RCS” Model 70 220 SWIFT in the last RIA Premier Auction (the one that set the “new World’s record sale price for a M70), was NOT involved in sthis latest rodeo… THAT guy knows his guns!!!
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
November 7, 2015
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I was there, you can see the funny looks on the RIA employees’ faces. Guy in the white shirt sat with us at dinner Thursday night. FYI Bidder 22 is the number assigned to all online bidders. The guy taking the bid may look familiar to some of you, he’s done a few of the RIA videos. I have no idea what happened there other than that gun meant more to them than the big pile of money it took to buy it.
Mike
I’m beginning to believe if you have the money, you can buy anything at a RIA premier auction, except a bargain. T/R
November 7, 2015
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TR said
I’m beginning to believe if you have the money, you can buy anything at a RIA premier auction, except a bargain. T/R
I believe there were some good deals to be had but I wasn’t able to closely examine all the guns that went for significantly under the estimated prices. My friend bought a handful of nice guns and most were good deals, one he had a bit of competition for but he liked the gun. I don’t think he’s going to get a kitchen pass again anytime soon but he’s having back surgery in the next few weeks so will have several weeks’ downtime.
I didn’t buy anything. My last check for home repairs cleared Christmas Eve leaving me with less money than most of the guns went for. Bartender was cute and she makes a decent Bloody Mary.
Mike
Would have liked to have seen a pic of the front sight
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
TXGunNut said
Bartender was cute and she makes a decent Bloody Mary.
Now we’re definitely going to the next one.
November 7, 2015
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Tedk said
Would have liked to have seen a pic of the front sight
I may be able to help you with that, Ted. May take a day or two.
Mike
November 7, 2015
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TXGunNut said
Tedk said
Would have liked to have seen a pic of the front sight
I may be able to help you with that, Ted. May take a day or two.
Mike
I’m sorry, Ted. I thought the hard copy catalog had more pics. The images in the print catalog are the same as online. Lot number was 3529.
Mike
Thanks Mike, greatly appreciated.
Would still like to get a look at the front sight
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
November 7, 2015
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I think we’ll be seeing that rifle again, Ted. Maybe you’ll get your chance.
Mike
TXGunNut said
I think we’ll be seeing that rifle again, Ted. Maybe you’ll get your chance.
Mike – so maybe a speculator bought it – looking to make a profit?
November 7, 2015
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steve004 said
TXGunNut said
I think we’ll be seeing that rifle again, Ted. Maybe you’ll get your chance.
Mike – so maybe a speculator bought it – looking to make a profit?
Methinks he’s going to be disappointed unless he knows something about this rifle that most of us (except maybe the other bidder?) don’t know. I don’t think this story is over.
Mike
Seems to me that there is the chance of re blue going on. The caliber stamp looks quite diminished. But Heck I have found it easy to get caught up in wallet thickness measuring contest. I just never win!
TXGunNut said
steve004 said
TXGunNut said
I think we’ll be seeing that rifle again, Ted. Maybe you’ll get your chance.
Mike – so maybe a speculator bought it – looking to make a profit?
Methinks he’s going to be disappointed unless he knows something about this rifle that most of us (except maybe the other bidder?) don’t know. I don’t think this story is over.
Mike
Mike,
Any updates on this gun?
“If you can’t convince them, confuse them”
President Harry S. Truman
November 7, 2015
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Ted-
No, funny you should ask. I was talking about that gun with one of the RIA auctioneers this past weekend. I suppose we need to check the online catalog for this weekend’s RIA Premier Auction. I’ll be there…. with TGCA SWAG and membership applications, but not my checkbook! It still hasn’t recovered from last year’s tornado so I probably won’t bother to get a bidder number.
Mike
I don’t even know where to begin to comment on that auction. For that kind of money I bet I could pay a good gunsmith to make me up at least a dozen really nice fakes that most people wouldn’t know any difference on.
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November 7, 2015
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Maverick said
I don’t even know where to begin to comment on that auction. For that kind of money I bet I could pay a good gunsmith to make me up at least a dozen really nice fakes that most people wouldn’t know any difference on.
I was on the other side of the room and can assure you everyone in the room was shocked. I was even more shocked because I was on the next item on my iPad and it was clearly described as refinished. Even after I realized my mistake I couldn’t believe it. I’ll try to ask Kevin what he knows about our motivated buyer this weekend.
Mike
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