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All of you sharp eyed Winchester sleuths take a look at this auction listing and tell me what is wrong with it…
https://jamesdjulia.com/item/53091-73-402/
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Those 1894 carbines look alot like Model 71’s. And I only see 5 of them. Id have serious reservations in allowing someone who cant tell the difference between the Winchester models posting for my catalog/auction. Maybe it was just a simple oversight.
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Appear to be rifles, not carbines.
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1892takedown said
Those 1894 carbines look alot like Model 71’s. And I only see 5 of them. Id have serious reservations in allowing someone who cant tell the difference between the Winchester models posting for my catalog/auction. Maybe it was just a simple oversight.
Tang bolt/locking lugs and does look like a 71, doesn’t it?
Those are not carbine buttplates as described. There are no barrel bands. I see no saddle rings. And they do look like 71s. Must be an error in the ad and pictures.
THIS ALL STARTED WITH JUST ONE GUN!
They used the wrong picture. They used the picture from lot 2084 “case of new Browning model 71’s”.
I sent them a note stating it’s the picture from lot 2084.
Whatever they ARE, they’re not 1920 94 carbines. No Tang stamps of any kind. Forearm caps instead of bands. The listing describes carbine ladder sites, they aint there. Its kinda sad an establishment such as james julia can make that level of mistake even if it was just a mix up in pictures file name etc… is there no final edit before publishing?
Julia had the crate of 1894 carbines on display at the Antique Arms show in Las Vegas last month. I did happen to glance in at them and there were indeed 10 minty 1894 carbines in the crate. All in all, it was a rather drool-worthy sight.
Remember, this is James Julia’s last firearms auction before they become part of the Morphy Auction Company in Pennsylvania. Not to make excuses for the mixed up pictures, but I’ll bet their staff is a little off-kilter right now and possibly short-handed if some of the staff has already left for other employment.
I don’t buy the story of these 94’s from the 1920’s being stockpiled and then making there way to the UK in 1940 and then back again.
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AlanD
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At least they have the correct picture shown now. Its amazing these have stayed together all theses years.
~Gary~
AlanD said
I don’t buy the story of these 94’s from the 1920’s being stockpiled and then making there way to the UK in 1940 and then back again.Regards
AlanD
Sydney
Alan,
I agree with you… all of the serial numbers in that crate date from October 1920 to August 1921. I highly doubt that they ever left the U.S.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
pdog72 said
At least they have the correct picture shown now. Its amazing these have stayed together all theses years.
Gary,
This is the 2nd crate of Model 94 SRCs sold by JDJ from the same time period. If you research the Spring 2012 auction you can see the previous crate that was sold.
Thus far, I have surveyed (5) crates of Model 1894/94 Carbines. It makes me wonder how many more of them are still out there is collections.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
On something this rare you would think the provenance would have traveled with the guns. Whoever owned them from the 1920s on certainly knew how rare and valuable they were. Collectors really need to make an effort to pass on what information they have on rare and desirable guns, even if it is just a hand written note. I recently bought a 1960 factory D engraved Colt SAA with carved pearl grips, mint unfired. Factory letter only states it was shipped to the engraver, AA White, in the white. The gun came from an estate, the family had no information on the gun. I sure would like to know the history of that gun.
wolfbait said
On something this rare you would think the provenance would have traveled with the guns. Whoever owned them from the 1920s on certainly knew how rare and valuable they were. Collectors really need to make an effort to pass on what information they have on rare and desirable guns, even if it is just a hand written note. I recently bought a 1960 factory D engraved Colt SAA with carved pearl grips, mint unfired. Factory letter only states it was shipped to the engraver, AA White, in the white. The gun came from an estate, the family had no information on the gun. I sure would like to know the history of that gun.
” I saw this brand new Colt SAA beautifully engraved, bought bought it- stuck it into my safe.”
Sometimes history might be boring. ?
Vince
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Vince said
wolfbait said
On something this rare you would think the provenance would have traveled with the guns. Whoever owned them from the 1920s on certainly knew how rare and valuable they were. Collectors really need to make an effort to pass on what information they have on rare and desirable guns, even if it is just a hand written note. I recently bought a 1960 factory D engraved Colt SAA with carved pearl grips, mint unfired. Factory letter only states it was shipped to the engraver, AA White, in the white. The gun came from an estate, the family had no information on the gun. I sure would like to know the history of that gun.” I saw this brand new Colt SAA beautifully engraved, bought bought it- stuck it into my safe.”
Sometimes history might be boring. ?
Well, maybe someone just saw this crate of new condition Winchesters and stored them in the attic. But that is unlikely.
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