Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
What is this M70??
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
September 26, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
September 26, 2022 - 3:48 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I have this M70, SN/ 12xxx; 1937. BUT it doesn’t look like any M70 I can find images of!

Any way to tell if this is a factory custom? Or did Win supply barreled actions to custom shops?

Stock wood finish & checkering looks factory quality, but that raised cheek rest doesn’t match anything I’ve seen.

Don’t know about the engraved bottom metal, either!

Front sight is Redfield, as is rear base (only). Looks like it was topped with that 2.5x Lyman Alaskan in the late 40’s or early 50’s maybe? Leupold base on that.

Not looking for appraisal, just info on what this could be!

Also: How do I add photos to this post??? ConfusedLaugh

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11120
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
September 27, 2022 - 12:11 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

As a Guest, you have to load your pictures on a photo hosting website, then post the URL to them here on the WACA forum.

Bert – Admin

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 470
Member Since:
March 12, 2008
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
September 27, 2022 - 1:32 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Here are pictures of the subject rifle. These were forwarded to me today by WACA.  My response earlier was: “That is a very nice aftermarket custom model 70. It is not a special Winchester model, nor was it done on a special order basis from Winchester. Stock, Niedner style buttplate, floorplate assembly and front sight ramp are all aftermarket custom parts and appear to be nicely done. I can only speculate that the barrel has been shortened slightly since the front sight ramp currently on the rifle has been added and the original integral front sight ramp has been removed.”

Maybe someone else here can add some additional information.

Steve

1.jpgImage Enlarger2.jpgImage Enlarger3.jpgImage Enlarger5.jpgImage Enlarger6.jpgImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6672
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
September 27, 2022 - 2:00 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

seewin said
Maybe someone else here can add some additional information.

Steve

 

  

Only that it’s not a “classic era” custom stocking job such as Bob Owen or any of his contemporaries might have done; looks to me like the styling of the ’50s or later. 

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
September 26, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
September 27, 2022 - 3:27 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

THANK YOU! Also, thanks for adding the pics!

Barrel length is 20-1/16″ from front of receiver to crown, and while bluing is uniform on barrel & action, the crown is in the white. Guessing that it was shortened, or at least re-crowned.

I appreciate the quick response. Most older rifles around Utica, NY, are typically Savage or Remington Works, so Wins are sort of uncommon, exception being 94’s.

I just wanted to make sure this was or wasn’t some Win collector’s holy grail before going to the range with it. It’s certainly appreciated as grandfather’s custom rifle tho! Thanks again!

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4419
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
September 27, 2022 - 5:18 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Still, a nice looking rifle.  I sure wouldn’t be ashamed to own it.  I couldn’t see where you mentioned the chambering?

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
September 26, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
September 27, 2022 - 5:55 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

.30-06

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6672
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
September 27, 2022 - 7:32 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

hgonc2 said
.30-06

  

That’s what the “1906” marking on the brl means; “37” is date of production.  

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
September 26, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
September 27, 2022 - 8:37 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Clarence: I’ve no clue! Just added the pic as maybe the markings mean something to someone else.

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
September 26, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
September 27, 2022 - 8:43 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Does anyone have further info on the bottom metal?? It is ferrous, but I’ve never seen engraving with that high of relief. I’m wondering if maybe stamped, or cast steel?? Or is engraving of that era typically that deep?

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6672
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
September 27, 2022 - 9:19 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

hgonc2 said
Does anyone have further info on the bottom metal?? It is ferrous, but I’ve never seen engraving with that high of relief. I’m wondering if maybe stamped, or cast steel?? Or is engraving of that era typically that deep?

  

No way to be sure when the engraving was done, but high relief engraving has always been popular in Europe.  I’ve seen ads for engraved floor-plates & trigger-guards for certain American guns, I don’t remember where, but I suspect the work was done in Europe, where it would have been far less expensive. 

Now I remember where I saw those engraving ads–pre-war Stoeger catalogs, & since Stoeger was a major importer of German & Austrian guns, maybe the parts were sent to Europe to have the work done; though Stoeger’s at the time had a complete custom gunsmithing operation in NYC. 

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Online: 1ned1, Keydet15, tsbccut, Pwog
Guest(s) 95
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6672
TXGunNut: 5287
Chuck: 4742
steve004: 4419
1873man: 4376
Big Larry: 2385
twobit: 2327
mrcvs: 1806
TR: 1744
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 13050
Posts: 114308

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1820
Members: 9016
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation