Please consider registering
Forum Scope


Forum Options

Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Register Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
What do I have here ? Trying to figure it out !!
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 21
Member Since:
March 14, 2021
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
March 14, 2021 - 11:21 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

just purchased a 1894 rifle at our local weekend gun show last weekend. Not sure what i have.

The seller thought the serial # was 1,990,439, and labeled the “rifle” as born in 1953, (i had already known that they quit making “rifles” at approx 1,090,500) . I took out my magnifying glass and verified a 1,090,439 ser#. 

Ok, that makes sense now, 26″ Half Oct barrel, 38-55 caliber, crescent butt plate = Rifle

BUT the barrel is not of the proper time period of the rest of the gun.

The caliber designation is on the barrel top, immediately forward of the receiver. No proof marks on barrel, and No proof marks on receiver. According to Renneberg, this type of marking(locality) ceased just prior to ser 300,000. 

Next = this rifle has a button mag.  Of the 1000 pictures i have google looked at this week, everyone one of the 1/2 oct barrels has ended approx 1″ from end cap. MY octagon extends 3″ from the end cap. My forearm wood measures exactly 9 3/8″ long.

It gets better…The barrel sports a type #3 barrel marking (3″long) on the top octagonal flat, and the writing starts 3/4″ past the end cap, and goes 3″ towards rear sight. 

Better yet….this is the only barrel marking on the barrel, (nothing on the sides) …just on the top flat 38-55 and the top flat 3″ long type #3 markings, period.

I will include pictures, have to learn how first.

Any input would be so much appreciated. Thank you

Kingston, WA
Forum Posts: 10604
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
March 15, 2021 - 6:03 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Without actually seeing it, I highly suspect that somebody turned down an original full octagon barrel, stopping just short of the Winchester address roll marking on the top flat of the barrel.

S/N 1090439 was manufactured in June, 1933. Winchester did not actually discontinue the Model 94 Sporting Rifles until the end of the year 1937 (at approximately S/N 1158800). I currently have (17) Model 94 Rifles verified in my research survey that have higher S/Ns than your rifle (and I routinely share that information with Bob Renneberg).

The lack of a “WP” proof mark on the barrel can be explained, but the receiver frame ring should definitely have a proof mark stamp on it, Winchester began proof marking them in July 1905 (very near S/N 270200).

Have you checked the bottom of the barrel (under the forend stock) for any markings? Beginning in 1920, Winchester began date stamping the barrels (in the concave area right next to the receiver). It would be interesting to see a picture of what markings are on the bottom of the barrel.


WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Online: mrcvs, Big Larry, DEEREHART, Thomas Beckwith, Ben, Steven Cambria
Guest(s) 49
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6148
TXGunNut: 4860
Chuck: 4513
1873man: 4256
steve004: 4097
Big Larry: 2290
twobit: 2283
TR: 1690
mrcvs: 1656
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 12494
Posts: 108475


Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1726
Members: 8713
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3