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April 15, 2005
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twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
Just like the Model 1894, the Model 1886 barrels had the caliber marking on the 12 o’clock barrel position up through mid year 1907 when it was rotated to the left side (10 o’clock) position. The rifle in question was assembled in 1905.
Bert
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Bert H. said
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
Just like the Model 1894, the Model 1886 barrels had the caliber marking on the 12 o’clock barrel position up through mid year 1907 when it was rotated to the left side (10 o’clock) position. The rifle in question was assembled in 1905.
Bert
On the Model 1892 the caliber stamp did not begin to appear with any sort of consistency until mid 1908. The barrel address stayed on the top of the barrel. Here is my collection of 22 inch barrel length 1892 that are all pre 1908 and have the caliber stamp purposefully located on the left side of the barrel.
Michael
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July 8, 2012
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That’s a very nice model 1886 takedown, and as others have stated appears to be all original. Since the features do not match the letter (which in my opinion the mistake was made by whoever recorded it), it would help for resale if you took pictures of the matching numbers from the tang and stock to prove it left the factory as is.
Al
June 12, 2013
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tionesta1 said
That’s a very nice model 1886 takedown, and as others have stated appears to be all original. Since the features do not match the letter (which in my opinion the mistake was made by whoever recorded it), it would help for resale if you took pictures of the matching numbers from the tang and stock to prove it left the factory as is.
Al
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December 9, 2002
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antler1 said
tionesta1 said
That’s a very nice model 1886 takedown, and as others have stated appears to be all original. Since the features do not match the letter (which in my opinion the mistake was made by whoever recorded it), it would help for resale if you took pictures of the matching numbers from the tang and stock to prove it left the factory as is.
Al
Very good idea. Thank You
A very good point Al! 
Tony
April 1, 2005
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twobit said
Bert H. said
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
Just like the Model 1894, the Model 1886 barrels had the caliber marking on the 12 o’clock barrel position up through mid year 1907 when it was rotated to the left side (10 o’clock) position. The rifle in question was assembled in 1905.
Bert
On the Model 1892 the caliber stamp did not begin to appear with any sort of consistency until mid 1908. The barrel address stayed on the top of the barrel. Here is my collection of 22 inch barrel length 1892 that are all pre 1908 and have the caliber stamp purposefully located on the left side of the barrel.
Michael
1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
March 20, 2009
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Burt Humphrey said
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
That is correct for a standard length barrel. The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP’s 1886.
Michael
1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
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twobit said
Burt Humphrey said
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
That is correct for a standard length barrel. The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP’s 1886.
Michael
1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
twobit said
Burt Humphrey said
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
That is correct for a standard length barrel. The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP’s 1886.
Michael
1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
I thought that was probbly the case – here is a 92 SRC, also 1907, with the caliber stamp on the top of the barrel as I assume it should be.
March 20, 2009
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Yes all carbines had the caliber stamp place on the top of the barrel, between the shorter standard carbine sight and the receiver face. The 25-20 WCF caliber stamp was made up in two lines on carbines only so that it would fit, but then changed to a single line once it was rotated to the left side. It appears that Winchester commonly (not always) repositioned the rear sight dovetail close to the receiver face on short barrel rifles of 22 inches or less in an effort to lengthen the sight radius. As a result, the typical early caliber stamp location on the top of the barrel would be covered when the rear sight elevator was moved rearward. To counter act this the caliber stamp was position to the left side of the barrel.
Michael
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June 12, 2013
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twobit said
Burt Humphrey said
twobit said
The only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the caliber stamp is located on the top of the barrel. The rear sight is positioned close to the receiver as is normal on 22 inch sporting rifle barrels but on Model 1892’s The caliber stamp was rotated to the left side so that the rear sight elevator will not cover it. As you can see in the image if the elevator is extended the proof stamp and caliber stamp will be covered.
Bert, do other standard 22 inch ELW 1886 sporting rifle have the caliber stamp located on the barrel top?
I would ask for an image of the actual ledger entry for the rifle. They can sometimes be “open for interpretation” if this rifle and/or consecutive rifles have complicated entries.
Michael
That is correct for a standard length barrel. The ones I was referring to are 22 inch barrels like the OP’s 1886.
Michael
1907 and the caliber stamp is on the top of the barrel
Enclosed is another listing of a 1886 in 45-70 ELW 22 inch with correct caliber stamp on top of barrel
This and Bert’s should verify correct originality
Thanks
Pat
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