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This looks like it might be a nice opportunity for someone. It’s in unusually nice condition for a military target rifle. And the CMP documentation legitimizes it. Perhaps of Interest, it’s only 3 serial numbers away from a Van Orden sniper rifle sold to HQ 1st Army NY, NY on 02/59.

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_C__US_PROPERTY_MARKED_WINCHESTER_MODEL_70_BOLT_AC-LOT559883.aspx

Although certainly not as rare, I personally I find this to be a more interesting rifle than the SG F/W’s I was lamenting several days ago. It’s certainly more financially approachable. Although the estimate seems high to my taste.

I’m admittedly biased toward target rifles.

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1ned1 said
This looks like it might be a nice opportunity for someone. It’s in unusually nice condition for a military target rifle. And the CMP documentation legitimizes it. Perhaps of Interest, it’s only 3 serial numbers away from a Van Orden sniper rifle sold to HQ 1st Army NY, NY on 02/59.

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_C__US_PROPERTY_MARKED_WINCHESTER_MODEL_70_BOLT_AC-LOT559883.aspx

Although certainly not as rare, I personally I find this to be a more interesting rifle than the SG F/W’s I was lamenting several days ago. It’s certainly more financially approachable. Although the estimate seems high to my taste.

I’m admittedly biased toward target rifles.

Ned

  

I have a Van Orden Sniper # 272958, shipped to the 1954 NM’s, and purchased by the US Army. Some idiot ground off the US markings. A good friend gave this rifle to me. It is in one of Peter Senichs sniper books. It is exactly like the CMP rifle.   Big Larry

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I sold 2 of these a couple of years ago, sans sights, scope and sling. They were probably 90% with well used barrels. I got $2K each, and thought I did well.

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Big Larry said Some idiot ground off the US markings.
  

Well, I have to say I understand why, because that ugly scrawl looks like the work of a 5th grade drop-out.  Was the rcvr. reblued afterwards?

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No, not reblued afterwards.  Most of the U.S. 52C & D were the same way. Now the 52B’s had a neat little very unobtrusive stamp on the side of the barrel, and a few had the receiver stamped as well.

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Hi Ned-

It’s always a good idea to check the S/N of these against the Van Orden serial number list (in Chandler’s “Death From Afar – Vol 1”), since about two-thirds of the VO guns were sold to military marksmanship units.

This one, S/N 411082, isn’t on the VO list but the armed forces were also buying bunches of them direct from Winchester around that time and the S/N ranges overlap (sometime VERY closely).  For example, S/Ns 411025, 411044, 411059, 411085, 411115, 411130 and 411156 were Van Ordens according to Chandler, while in the survey S/Ns 411082 (this gun), 411531, and 411540 are “US Property” marked 30-06 Target rifles.  S/Ns 411032, 411100, 411101, 411107, and 411142 show up as 30-06 Target rifles without US markings…

The Amoskeag gun is interesting and likely an ex-Marksmanship Team gun. It’s almost certainly got nothing to do with snipers in Viet Nam…  Like Steve, I don’t think it’s $4000-6000 worth of nice though… Wink

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Big Larry said

1ned1 said

This looks like it might be a nice opportunity for someone. It’s in unusually nice condition for a military target rifle. And the CMP documentation legitimizes it. Perhaps of Interest, it’s only 3 serial numbers away from a Van Orden sniper rifle sold to HQ 1st Army NY, NY on 02/59.

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_C__US_PROPERTY_MARKED_WINCHESTER_MODEL_70_BOLT_AC-LOT559883.aspx

Although certainly not as rare, I personally I find this to be a more interesting rifle than the SG F/W’s I was lamenting several days ago. It’s certainly more financially approachable. Although the estimate seems high to my taste.

I’m admittedly biased toward target rifles.

Ned

  

I have a Van Orden Sniper # 272958, shipped to the 1954 NM’s, and purchased by the US Army. Some idiot ground off the US markings. A good friend gave this rifle to me. It is in one of Peter Senichs sniper books. It is exactly like the CMP rifle.   Big Larry

  

Larry,

Not trying to Hijack this post at all but I’m wondering if it would be correct to have the Serial Number re applied to your Specimen. JMT!

Anthony

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