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Would anyone happen to know were Winchester 73’s sn# 644 and sn# 19,243 might be located? 
Bryan,
644 was last seen at the Vegas show in 96 and 19243 hasn’t popped up yet besides the Lewis book.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
THANKS!!
Any idea if 644 sold to an individual, or just on display by an organization?
If 19,243 ever shows up, it will be one of the One of One Thousand rifles.
All I know is 644 was at the gun show, don’t know if it sold or what.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
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Bryan,
If you don’t mind me asking. Why are you interested in those two? I thought I understood that you didn’t Collect firearms, and you we’re more interested in cartridges and their history. Just wondering. 
Anthony
Thanks Bob!!
Anthony,
You are correct and I could never afford either…especially 19,243. I received descriptions of both in an email, but the locations of each were unknown to the museum.
Both once belonged to Doc Pardee. It is believed by me that sn# 644 is the one he used to shoot the 110 yard shots I use as my mascot on the website. The details of 19,243 also show that it was “well worn”. I will be adding the descriptions sometime this morning to Doc’s information.
https://www.44-40.org/44-w-c-f-timeline (not quite midway down the page)
Rifle #644
- blued 26″ octagon barrel
- brass front blade
- blued iron frame
- sling ring below butt stock
- cleaning rods in butt stock
- butt plate and maybe lever, nickel plated
- series of grooves on wrist of stock, paint? on left of stock, abrasions nicks and scratches on stock pieces, vertical scratches on both side plates
- finish and nickel plating worn.
Rifle #19,243
- part round part octagon barrel w/hooded front sight and tang peep
- frame, lever, forearm cap, butt plate, color case hardened
- loading gate and barrel blued
- engraved foliated scrolls on muzzle and breech
- left frame engraved, Presented to Dr. E.H. Pardee by the Winchester Repeating Arms Co. New Haven, Conn. 1867 “One Of One Thousand”
- cleaning rod in stock
- dents and slight scratching on forearm, rust on hammer, traces of rust…well used, rifling very worn
Bryan,
I understand! Good stuff.
This site can be so frustrating as I tried to post this early Tin Type photo, several different ways, of what I was told was a picture of Doc Pardee, and I didn’t believe it at the time, and avoiding an argument, I bought this along with other things. It is a nice early Tin Type of a model 1873, round barrel, full magazine, with cartridges, next to a revolver, in the Mills cartridge belt, with the dog on the buckle, that look too long for 44-40 caliber cartridges. so maybe an 1880, or later rifle, after serial number 51,026, 38-40, or after the 60,000 serial range. The 32-40, 1882, would also be a possibility. IMO!
Any comments or information would be appreciated!
Anthony
Anthony,
That is a third model 73 in 38 WCF.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
I don’t know much about all of that, but what I notice is that the belt cartridge loops look stretched out, maybe indicating short cartridges inserted into a 45-70 loop. But then again, I would NOT think the 44 WCF would stretch the loop so much…which means the 45 would stretch it even more. The notches in the buckle and the dog typically was for civilian use from what I THINK I read but I can not confirm any of it.
I personally can not tell if that is a 73 or an 76. Maybe someone will chime in that can tell.
Interesting stuff for sure, but I certainly don’t know! But my first thoughts, that a 1876.
1873man said
Anthony,That is a third model 73 in 38 WCF.
Bob
The step in the receiver, Bob? My eyes aren’t good enough to see that. I couldn’t tell anything from the picture on the integral dust cover, or the exposed trigger pin and hammer screw, that was eliminated, for internal pins, or the lower tang screw that was moved back. I’m thinking if not the stepped receiver, or maybe a combination of that and the larger retaining screw, on the side plate. Either way, I couldn’t tell, and I’m grateful!
Thanks,
Anthony
Step in the receiver is 32 or 38 then if its a large mag tube or small one. The screw just in front of the stock on the side of the receiver and lever is third model.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob,
Okay. I can understand the screw that you’re talking about, but I just can’t blow it up and see it, even with good light and a magnifying glass.
Good experienced eyes!
Anthony
What I would like to do is add a page to the website to include competition shooters that used the 44 WCF cartridges, particularly the Winchester 73’s such as Doc and the Stuart brothers.
This is a new avenue for me.
Anthony, now you maybe understand why I seem to miss so much in pictures! Seems, too, my computer if given the chance shows a darker picture than others seem to get. I don’t download nor then manipulate the photos, so my opinion on pictures is usually off base. Tim
I rotated this picture. It shows 4.6 mb sitting in the Select Files box.
Once I hit Start upload it changes to 2 mb. I don’t think my browser is doing this….
When pictures are save they can get compressed depending on the default setting. I know if I save a picture that I’m going to want to edit later I will save them uncompressed but I have noticed this site will compress pictures when uploaded.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
tim tomlinson said
Anthony, now you maybe understand why I seem to miss so much in pictures! Seems, too, my computer if given the chance shows a darker picture than others seem to get. I don’t download nor then manipulate the photos, so my opinion on pictures is usually off base. Tim
Tim,
I can understand what you’re saying!
Chuck said
I rotated this picture. It shows 4.6 mb sitting in the Select Files box.Once I hit Start upload it changes to 2 mb. I don’t think my browser is doing this….
Chuck,
Thanks for straightening that picture for us all to view!
1873man said
When pictures are save they can get compressed depending on the default setting. I know if I save a picture that I’m going to want to edit later I will save them uncompressed but I have noticed this site will compress pictures when uploaded.
Bob
Bob,
I do find that interesting, but I downloaded it immediately, and I didn’t try to save it. So as far as the picture getting turned on it’s own I will keep trying to concentrate on the sizing of the picture,(mb), and fix it.
You sure have a better eye for it than I do, I still wouldn’t verify it without you saying so!
Anthony
I’m sorry it was annoying me, so I had to fix it. The original image is a mirror image, as the loading gate over is always on the right side of the receiver. When you compare the height of the bulged portion of the Mills Belt with that of the location of the receiver’s elevator. They match up nicely and Its my opinion that the cartridge in the belt is for the rifle in the picture. Also the revolver could be in the same caliber as well.
From the picture I can’t tell for certain if the 73 receiver is stepped receiver or not. So I’d say its up for debate if its a 44 or 38.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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