Log In
Members
Home
Add Reply
Add Topic
Offline
I already know the answer to this but am looking for affirmation from folks more educated than me.
I purchased this elevator in June 2024 based on this eBay listing where it was described as a “Winchester Factory Original” 1A Elevator. I ended up not needing it and thus sold it on eBay in November 2024. Upon receipt and inspection, the buyer advised me that I had sold him a fake. I immediately refunded his money; and he sent it back to me.
Due to the amount of time that had passed since I originally purchased it, I had no way to request a refund from the original seller. I did make contact with him and advised that he had sold me a fake. He asked me to ship it to him and if he agreed it was the item he sold me AND that it was not authentic he would refund my purchase. I shipped it back to him and he is now claiming that this elevator is authentic based on his “extensive research.” I ask that actual experts weigh in and hope that he proves to be an honorable person.
My computer is flagging the website you posted the link to as an “unsafe” web address.
Can you post a picture of the elevator that is in question? Did the buyer you sold it to indicate why he thought it was a fake?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
My computer is flagging the website you posted the link to as an “unsafe” web address.Can you post a picture of the elevator that is in question? Did the buyer you sold it to indicate why he thought it was a fake?
Bert
The website is safe, it’s mine. I just don’t have an SSL cert for it. My 1927 SRC is posted to the same sight.
The buyer I sold it to reached out directly to you Bert, so you’ve already seen this one.
Use this link to avoid the unsafe site warning
http://www.felixschlag.com/Elevator1A/
It just links to http vice https
Alaska94 said
Bert H. said
My computer is flagging the website you posted the link to as an “unsafe” web address.
Can you post a picture of the elevator that is in question? Did the buyer you sold it to indicate why he thought it was a fake?
Bert
The website is safe, it’s mine. I just don’t have an SSL cert for it. My 1927 SRC is posted to the same sight.
The buyer I sold it to reached out directly to you Bert, so you’ve already seen this one.
I had not ever seen the pictures you posted the link to before today. That stated, the thumbpiece appears to be a bit shorter in length and the patent date marking is not in the same position on the left side of the elevator as the two that I have. I do not know if that is indicative of a reproduction elevator or not.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Alaska94 said
Bert H. said
My computer is flagging the website you posted the link to as an “unsafe” web address.
Can you post a picture of the elevator that is in question? Did the buyer you sold it to indicate why he thought it was a fake?
Bert
The website is safe, it’s mine. I just don’t have an SSL cert for it. My 1927 SRC is posted to the same sight.
The buyer I sold it to reached out directly to you Bert, so you’ve already seen this one.
I had not ever seen the pictures you posted the link to before now. That stated, the thumbpiece appears to be a bit shorter in length and the patent date marking is not in the same position on the left side of the elevator as the two that I have. I do not know if that is indicative of a reproduction elevator or not.
Bert
I guy named Jim H emailed you around December 6 and sent his own pictures.
The thing that jumps out to me is the stamp. My understanding is that it should read “Pat.Feb.5.1901” with periods instead of spaces throughout.
Yes, that is correct. It should have a period after the “1901” as well. “PAT.FEB.5.1901.“
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I always check for and seek the correct elevator, but would any rifle not sell or value be significantly impacted by an incorrect or repo elevator…. Seems like there was much crossover use either factory or in the field. Maybe thats just my experience.
An incorrect elevator wouldn’t prevent me from buying something I liked or wanted. To me it’s an easy solution to correct, and the elevator that gets replaced can be traded or sold for exactly what it is, whether it’s a reproduction, or just a wrong elevator for that model. IMO! I have done it before. 
Anthony
My issue is that the guy advertised it as an original, I paid $75 for it, to find out later it’s a bad reproduction. He refuses to admit that it’s not original and won’t give me my money back.
I am not a lawyer and it is too inexpensive (tho quite aggravating no doubt) to try to collect if he is unwilling to admit HIS error and refund your money. Under those circumstances, chalk it up to your education and then try to recover some of your money by selling it as a known reproduction. Or just keep it for potential use when nothing else is available. I was unaware such repros were out there, so I got an education at your unfortunate expense. BTW, I think we all have paid tuition to the school of hard knocks. I sure have! Tim
I wish my losses/mistakes from learning were limited to $75.00 bucks in all honesty!
No hindsight in all reality, as I did listen and invest in a decent library first, and learned a lot, which saved me thousands.
Anthony
Patent dates, periods and spaces harken back to the recent discussion about the fake red Winchester recoil pads. Definitely some discrepancies out there
If you can’t convince them, confuse them
This is such a low value item that I’m surprised that someone would go to the trouble to fake it.
mrcvs said
This is such a low value item that I’m surprised that someone would go to the trouble to fake it.
It may be a “low value” item if you only make just one fake, but let’s get a bit bolder and say that you set up and manufactured (500) of them and then sell them for $75 apiece… a $37,500 return for what most likely cost no more than 10% of the gross return.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
1 Guest(s)
