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Real "1 of 1000" 1873?
October 17, 2020
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1873man said
There is a wide difference in the engraving patterns on the 1 of 1000’s if you look in the 1 of 1000 books so you can’t go by that instead you have to compare the engraving quality. The engraving on this gun in my option is not up to Winchesters standards, the barrel address is real as far as I can see.

Bob  

I had some awareness that the engraving patterns and inscriptions on the 1 of 1000’s varied.  However I am in agreement with Bob, I don’t think Winchester engraved the inscription on this rifle.  

October 17, 2020
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One of the most historic and prominent 1 of 1000 73’s in existence, is coming up for auction at Rock Island in  early December.  This is serial #7282.   This rifle, from the collection of the late John E. Fox, was ordered by Granville Stuart in 1875.  I know this rifle very well as John was a close friend for almost 50 years and we lived just a few miles from eachother.  

Rick I have seen some of John’s Granville collection.  Last time I talked with him was in Denver last year.  He traded for a Colt 1851 pistol.  I don’t remember what he traded, it could have been a Sharps?  I thought it a bit unusual.

October 17, 2020
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In what respect?

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Rick I have seen some of John’s Granville collection.  Last time I talked with him was in Denver last year.  He traded for a Colt 1851 pistol.  I don’t remember what he traded, it could have been a Sharps?  I thought it a bit unusual.  

I what respect, did you find it unusual?

October 17, 2020
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In what respect?

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Rick I have seen some of John’s Granville collection.  Last time I talked with him was in Denver last year.  He traded for a Colt 1851 pistol.  I don’t remember what he traded, it could have been a Sharps?  I thought it a bit unusual.  

I what respect, did you find it unusual?  

I didn’t know John collected Colts.  Usually I would look at his Sharps.  If he had Colts on his table I didn’t pay attention to them. Even Carter gave him a hard time.

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This is just a guess, but John probably had 75 to 100 Colt revolvers in his collection.  Many percutions, conversions and single actions.  He had over 20 single action that had been lettered as shipped to Montana.  He was a history collector.  Condition was secondary, to the documented history of the gun. 

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I have a Colt from Montana. Supposedly taken from a member of the Plummer gang. The guy I bought it from said his grandpa bought it from the Sheriff office. He then made a really nice set of Elk antler grips. The grips have grandpa’s name inside. I got it with an original time period holster with floral patter and brand style initials that would match a Plummer gang member. No other provenance. 

Shoot low boys. They're riding Shetland Ponies.

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I have a Colt from Montana. Supposedly taken from a member of the Plummer gang. The guy I bought it from said his grandpa bought it from the Sheriff office. He then made a really nice set of Elk antler grips. The grips have grandpa’s name inside. I got it with an original time period holster with floral patter and brand style initials that would match a Plummer gang member. No other provenance.   

What Plummer gang member, do you know?

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win4575 said
This is just a guess, but John probably had 75 to 100 Colt revolvers in his collection.  Many percutions, conversions and single actions.  He had over 20 single action that had been lettered as shipped to Montana.  He was a history collector.  Condition was secondary, to the documented history of the gun.   

The one he traded for in Denver was a very high condition one.  It might have had ivory grips? I have no idea if it had a Montana connection?  Got the RIA flyer last night. Has a picture of some of John’s guns.

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He had several of Granville and Thomas Stuarts guns, as well as “Crow Killer” Liver Eating Johnson’s ’76, Marque de Mores ’76 and Heck Thomas’s Winchester.  He had many historic Winchesters, Colt’s and Sharp’s rifles, including the first 1874 model Sharps ever shipped to Montana.  The Heck Thomas ’76 sold at the September auction for $28,750.  The Liver Eating Johnson ’76 sold for $69,000.00.

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