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A buddy asked me about a model 64 his neighbor is selling.  I question the forend wood.  It is the “skinny” type that would be found on a model 94 rifle, rather than the “fatter” wood normally on 64’s.  I know early 64’s had skinnier forends than later ones, but this one is perfectly straight between the receiver and forend cap.  The finish and amount of wear matches up with the butt stock. I’m guessing it is an older or uesd replacement, but, is it possible the forend came from the factory that way, maybe a parts clean-up after wartime production ended?  I have never seen one like that before, but I surely haven’t seen them all. The serial number says it was made in 1946.  What say the experts?

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The early production Model 64 Rifles used the same forend stock as the Model 94 Rifles,at least through May of 1936. The fatter style forend stocks on the Model 64 were introduced simultaneously with the Model 71, which used a similar style stock.

That stated, a 1946 production Model 64 should have the fatter stock on it. What is the serial number? Is it a Standard or a Deer Rifle? Caliber?

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I haven’t seen the gun in person, my buddy lives in another state and only sent one full length picture.  It’s a standard grade rifle and 30-30 caliber.  He said he looked up the serial number to get the date. Since he repairs antique furniture, his assessment of the matching finish and wear on the forend and butt is reliable.

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With the serial number, I can positively identify when it was manufactured.

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 Following this thread with interest.Enjoy the Model 64.As Bert stated earlier, some of the early Model 64 rifles had the thinner forend ,of the Model 94 rifles.Just wondering if this is a case of an older thin forend getting left in a bin and not used to a later date?Perhaps when Bert gets the serial number it will put more light on the subject.Smile

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For those that are interested, I currently have 3,062 Model 64 Rifles documented in the survey… still looking for more of them!

The following is a synopsis of my findings thus far;

Extrapolated Caliber and Variation Type Totals
Caliber Totals % Variations Totals  %
30 W.C.F. 39,576 59.26% Sporting Rifles 39,752 59.52%
32 W.S. 17,958 26.89% Deer Rifles 17,270 25.86%
219 ZIPPER 5,792 8.67% Total Rifles 57,023 85.38%
25-35 W.C.F. 3,210 4.81% 20-inch Rifles (Carbine) 6,207 9.29%
38-55 157 0.24%  20-inch Deer Rifles (Carbine) 3,554 5.32%
32-40 90 0.13% Total 20-inch Rifles (Carbines) 9,760 14.62%
  66,783 100%   66,783 100%

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 Thanks for the update,Bert.With the covid 19 I have been staying close to home.Have not seen Model 64 rifles to help with your survey ,for quite sometime.

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Bert,

I have a Model 64 in 32 Special 24″ Deer version.  Serial number is 1192861.  I hope this is a new one for the survey.

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I have a Model 64 in 32 Special 24″ Deer version.  Serial number is 1192861.  I hope this is a new one for the survey.

thank you, Kevin  

It is a new rifle in the survey.  The serial number tells us that it was manufactured in October, 1938.  That was a transition period from the Type-6 to the Type-7 upper tang marking, and from flat (uncrowned) in the white barrel muzzles to crowned & blued muzzles.  Can you please check your Model 64 and tell me which upper tang marking it has, and which type of muzzle it has.  Additionally, does it have a “W” stamped below the serial number?

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my 64 in 32 spl made in 1938 has a flat muzzle and skinny forend wood. tang has winchester and then smaller trade mark with made in the usa under the trade mark. the serial number 1169701(you have the #) with a w under that.

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my 64 in 32 spl made in 1938 has a flat muzzle and skinny forend wood. tang has winchester and then smaller trade mark with made in the usa under the trade mark. the serial number 1169701(you have the #) with a w under that.  

Thanks for the updated information.

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serial 1192861 has the Type 6 tang marking with the lines before and after the “Trademark” and “Made in U.S.A”.

Muzzle is crowned and blued

No W on the receiver 

Thank you.

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serial 1192861 has the Type 6 tang marking with the lines before and after the “Trademark” and “Made in U.S.A”.

Muzzle is crowned and blued

No W on the receiver 

Thank you.

Kevin   

Kevin,

Thanks for the update.  Definitely manufactured in the transition period (October 1938).

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For those that are interested, I currently have 3,062 Model 64 Rifles documented in the survey… still looking for more of them!

The following is a synopsis of my findings thus far;

Extrapolated Caliber and Variation Type Totals
Caliber Totals % Variations Totals  %
30 W.C.F. 39,576 59.26% Sporting Rifles 39,752 59.52%
32 W.S. 17,958 26.89% Deer Rifles 17,270 25.86%
219 ZIPPER 5,792 8.67% Total Rifles 57,023 85.38%
25-35 W.C.F. 3,210 4.81% 20-inch Rifles (Carbine) 6,207 9.29%
38-55 157 0.24%  20-inch Deer Rifles (Carbine) 3,554 5.32%
32-40 90 0.13% Total 20-inch Rifles (Carbines) 9,760 14.62%
  66,783 100%   66,783 100%

  

My 20″ Deer rifle in .25-35 with checkered wood must be a hard to come by example.

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My 20″ Deer rifle in .25-35 with checkered wood must be a hard to come by example.  

Yes it is… just (11) of them found thus far.  Only the 219 Zipper 22-inch Deer Rifle is rarer.

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Bert, I asked my buddy for the serial number number of the model 64 he’s thinking of buying.  He doesn’t feel comfortable giving out a serial number for a gun that isn’t his.  If/when he buys it, he’ll send me the number and I’ll get it to you for your survey.

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I am a recent member and new to the forum.  I guess I will contribute……I too have a Model 64, 24″ rifle, 30WCF, Deer version serial number 1967672…..hope this adds to the survey.

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I have a couple of 64’s that may not be part of your survey Bert.  Both are sporting models.  One is a 30WCF sn 1,127,905, the other is 32WS sn 1,915,513.  If you can provide me any information of note I sure appreciate it.  I’m also happy to answer any questions about either rifle.  The differences in the wood (forearm and butt) between the two are striking. 

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I have a couple of 64’s that may not be part of your survey Bert.  Both are sporting models.  One is a 30WCF sn 1,127,905, the other is 32WS sn 1,915,513.  If you can provide me any information of note I sure appreciate it.  I’m also happy to answer any questions about either rifle.  The differences in the wood (forearm and butt) between the two are striking.   

You are correct… both of your Model 64’s are new entries in the survey.

S/N 1127905 is a pre-WW II production (May 1937) rifle, and S/N 1915513 was manufactured late in the year 1952.  I assume that both have the standard 24-inch barrel, and neither has checkered stocks.  The pre-WW II production Model 64 rifles were nicer quality guns when compared to the post-WW II specimens.

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Thanks – and correct!   Both are 24″ and not checkered. 

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