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March 6, 2011
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It’s 16″ so legal. If cheap enough a short 44-40 would be a fun gun to shoot or even hunt with.
March 20, 2009
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I was downloading the images of this rifle into my computer and found that I already had some from a previous auction listing back in June of 2025 but I had not entered the rifle into my spreadsheet. Does anyone recognize this description screenshot so that I can search the past auction and find out what it sold for?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 9, 2008
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twobit said
I was downloading the images of this rifle into my computer and found that I already had some from a previous auction listing back in June of 2025 but I had not entered the rifle into my spreadsheet. Does anyone recognize this description screenshot so that I can search the past auction and find out what it sold for?
Michael
It looks like a Ward’s auction
March 20, 2009
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cj57 said
twobit said
I was downloading the images of this rifle into my computer and found that I already had some from a previous auction listing back in June of 2025 but I had not entered the rifle into my spreadsheet. Does anyone recognize this description screenshot so that I can search the past auction and find out what it sold for?
Michael
It looks like a Ward’s auction
Yes. That is it. Sadly, their Past Auctions do not cover that time period.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
March 20, 2009
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The Ward’s Auc. “past auctions” did not cover that time period but a little phone call to them was very helpful. The rifle sold for $7214 in June of 2025. Here are the balance of the photos from that sale. Out of curiosity Paul, what is the asking price now?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 19, 2006
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twobit said
The Ward’s Auc. “past auctions” did not cover that time period but a little phone call to them was very helpful. The rifle sold for $7214 in June of 2025. Here are the balance of the photos from that sale. Out of curiosity Paul, what is the asking price now?Michael
Amazing – given it letters as a standard carbine. Plus the sanded wood turns me off too.
The handwritten notation about the records check on the barrel length – that made me angry to see that.
March 20, 2009
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steve004 said
The handwritten notation about the records check on the barrel length – that made me angry to see that.
Who knows who wrote that on the paper. Previous owner? Auction house? I seriously doubt it was Cody.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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Does anyone else find it interesting the Ward’s description notes the Cody look-up “confirms the dates & caliber”? I’ve learned to read between the lines in these descriptions and can’t help but wonder if that was a subtle hint.
Mike
November 19, 2006
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TXGunNut said
Does anyone else find it interesting the Ward’s description notes the Cody look-up “confirms the dates & caliber”? I’ve learned to read between the lines in these descriptions and can’t help but wonder if that was a subtle hint.
Mike
Tricky wordsmithing. I don’t see how an auction house could have the agenda of being a trusted seller, yet stoop to this. They know the rifle isn’t right. How do I know that they know the rifle isn’t right? The wordsmithing in the description tells me that. They assert several times that the rifle is a, “TRAPPER,” but at the same time in their description, they provide the information that Cody doesn’t say the carbine is anything other than a standard carbine. And as to their assertion the carbine is a, “TRAPPER” – show me any original Winchester short barreled rifle or carbine where the ledger recorded, “trapper.”
Also note, they state the wood is, “original” (even though they acknowledge it has been sanded) yet of course, despite their several words used to describe the barrel, the word, “original” is strangely missing.
So Mike, I think the, “subtle” hint, is mostly legal coverage.
March 6, 2011
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Bert H. said
James Fenderson said
Bert not on top of barrel in front of sight on a 16 or shorter gun should be a head of barrel band like the one Tobit posted if if it on top and has short wood band would be through wrighting.
Again, I disagree. The factory barrel roll marking for that serial number should be on the top (12 o’clock position) of the barrel… not on the side of the barrel as you stated.
“Again, I disagree. The factory barrel roll marking for that serial number should be on the top (12 o’clock position) of the barrel… not on the side of the barrel as you stated.”
Here is a confirmed Trapper that sold. Barrel address in front of the barrel band, and on the side of the barrel. Enlarge the picture to show clearly. When was a change made in the position of the barrel address, top or side?
April 15, 2005
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wolfbait said
Bert H. said
James Fenderson said
Bert not on top of barrel in front of sight on a 16 or shorter gun should be a head of barrel band like the one Tobit posted if if it on top and has short wood band would be through wrighting.
Again, I disagree. The factory barrel roll marking for that serial number should be on the top (12 o’clock position) of the barrel… not on the side of the barrel as you stated.
“Again, I disagree. The factory barrel roll marking for that serial number should be on the top (12 o’clock position) of the barrel… not on the side of the barrel as you stated.”
Here is a confirmed Trapper that sold. Barrel address in front of the barrel band, and on the side of the barrel. Enlarge the picture to show clearly. When was a change made in the position of the barrel address, top or side?
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles—model-1894-pre-64/winchester-model-1894-saddle-ring–quot-trapper-quot–carbine–rare-15-inch-barrel–cal—30-w-c-f—1926-vintage-sold.cfm?gun_id=101599666
The Winchester roll marking position change occurred a few years after the gun in question was manufactured. Based on my survey observations, the roll marking will be on the top of the barrel for all Winchesters that are in the letterable serial number range.
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March 6, 2011
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Thanks, good to know.
March 20, 2009
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On the Model 1892 the caliber stamp first began to appear on the left side of the barrel around SN 420000 in mid 1908. The barrel address does not begin to be placed on the left side until 2 years and 100,000 rifles late in 1910 around SN 520000. IT is a long messy transition period for both changes.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
April 15, 2005
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twobit said
On the Model 1892 the caliber stamp first began to appear on the left side of the barrel around SN 420000 in mid 1908. The barrel address does not begin to be placed on the left side until 2 years and 100,000 rifles late in 1910 around SN 520000. IT is a long messy transition period for both changes.
Michael
The date range for same changes to the Model 1894 was the same as the Model 1892, and it definitely was not an abrupt change as you mention.
Bert
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