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February 16, 2021 - 4:22 pm
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I just shake my head.  This one will sell – it has bids.  In fact, the seller estimates it has a retail value of $2500 and the current bid is now $2700.  In my mind, the value of this rifle is measured in hundreds rather than thousands of dollars.  So much wrong and unsightly with this rifle.  I have to say the ad-writing is imaginative.  A broken tang is smoothed over by planting a nostalgic western scene of, “probably being in a saddle scabbard and a horse rolled on it.”  The unsightliness of that repaired upper tang makes me queasy.  What makes me even more queasy is this part of the description:  

 The number on the bottom tang is almost illegible.  The tang does not look buffed or refinish, there are traces of finish on it.  So tang was either very lightly marked with number or it was factory replaced at time the stock was rolled on by a horse.

The lower tang might be, “factory replaced,” but regarding the top tang, maybe they sent a note with the rifle to the effect, “we know how to fix that ourselves”?  Oh, the lower tang number, “almost illegible…”  So, “almost” meaning what?  He doesn’t say what the serial number is – so really, how can it not be described as illegible?  I’m not holding it in my hand and don’t have the best photo to go by, but I can’t make out any numbers at all!  At least now I know what, “almost illegible” means.

If I were tasked with writing an, “honest” description of this rifle, I think, “Winchester M1886 – POS” would be all that is needed.  Am I being too harsh here?  What would other’s here value this rifle at?  

https://www.antiqueguns.com/shop/079-0121-4060-winchester-m-1886-octagon-barrel-rifle-in-45-70-blowout/

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Nice enough wall hanger, maybe even a shooter. Maybe there’s something we’re missing, Steve. Horse wreck story is plausible, happened often enough. Butt stock doesn’t appear to be original but that makes sense with the tang repair/replacement theory. Apparently somebody likes it better than we do. Hope he’s happy!

 

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Nice enough wall hanger…

To hang on the outside of your hunting shack.  Or carry across the handlebars of your ATV as you tear through Alaska brush-country.  .45-70s always bring a premium, & rightly so, but the cond of this one is shocking.  And yet another of these BS artists who flourish in the gun dealing racket–if Congress bans on-line gun sales, which has made life easy for them, I’ll rejoice to see them put out of business.

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All kidding aside some folks like the “rustic” look. Some even like rusted up relics. I don’t need any more shooters or wall hangers but I’ve already out on the price so it’s a moot point. Apparently someone is a fan of frontier gunsmithing.

 

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It’s ready to go on the “show us your beaters” thread.  If one looks at the price of the current reproduction 1886’s (either Italian or Miroku) this is approximately twice as much.   To me it’s priced too high to be a shooter or wall hangar.  Also probably too high to part out.  Apparently someone has different thoughts about it.

I call myself a collector as it sounds better than hoarder

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It’s always a pleasure to hear the opinions and perspectives of others.  Even though I saw no purpose for this rifle, I agree, as a wall-hanger – on the exterior wall of a very remote cabin or barn – it’s a great candidate.  Also, I have known of collectors who collect relics – which have never been of appeal to me.  As far as parting it out – what is there, other than some small parts.  The wood, receiver and the barrel all seem to have significant issues.  Still, I suppose lever, hammer, buttplate, loading gate, screws, etc. – all together, the ebay haul might be substantial.  

Is there any issue with the legality of the rifle?  To me, the serial number looks gone – but not through extensive use or wear.

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I’ve looked at several of his descriptions and I have to say- That part of the country has a disproportionate amount of rolling horses as compared to the rest of the country.

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I’ve looked at several of his descriptions and I have to say- That part of the country has a disproportionate amount of rolling horses as compared to the rest of the country.  

“The place for serious collectors”–what a laugh. 

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I have seen far worse, but the story is better than most.

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