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Hey folks my name is Patrick I am brand new to the site and love what I see so far. I have always been into the lever actions but have never considered myself a collector. However I have acquired a few in my 31 years, and here is my newest that I purchased this weekend for a SONG. be easy on me when I ask what you value it at, i know its Ruff. 92 25-20 SRC with a 391xxx serial number. one other question, notice in the picture butt stock doesnt fit tight to reciever or lower tang. I tried to remove upper tang screw but wont budge past a quarter turn. stock moves in your hand while turning screw, which leads me to believe screw is bent. Any ideas on how to correct this. gun would be pretty straight if the buttstock was nice and tight.
Welcome to our Forum, Patrick.
Hard to evaluate from the few photos but so far I can tell that the rear sight has been replaced and that the original was a carbine ladder sight. Also, the replacement sight does not appear to be a Winchester. The buttplate at the heel appears to protrude beyond the wood indicating the buttstock has been sanded, or most likely replaced as it doesn’t meet metal at the receiver end. What’s the condition of the bore?
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
all i can say is the bore has rifling, not the worst I have ever seen but without a doubt not the best. I was trying to take a picture to show where the lower tang was not in all the way as well where the bottom meets the reciever but lighting is poor been raining here for a few days. I am under no impression of this thing being a big ticket ticket but I just trying to verify that I am in it good enough. But thanks for the info on the sight, I was pretty skeptical being that its not in the pirkle book.
Patrick, the bent stock screw will come out with a bit of effort. The problem is both tangs have been bent up, stock probably used as a club. Using the stock as a guide, carefully bend both tangs down from up near the receiver until stock butts up tight. Will only take a minute amount, do bottom tang first.
Dont try to do this with stock on. Now replace straightened or replaced screw. Replace rear sight with correct carbine sight, oil her up and you are ready to go. Eric
I have been fighting all night, gave up till tomorrow. Im in it for 400. how did I do?
Patrick , dont rush that job. Looks like a good original little carbine. Certainly worth that. Be carefull you dont mark the top tang trying to get the screw out. Last resort is to drill threaded part of the screw out , and drive it out from below. Eric
Hello Patrick,
Please take a detail photo looking down on the upper tang of the rifle so that we can see the screws. Please also include photos of all the stamped writing on the rifle. I would like to add the gun into a research survey which I am conducting. The more information/photos you give us the better the help will be in correcting the problems. It is obvious from your first set of photos that the stock has been sanded, refinished, and fits the receiver poorly. https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-survey-discussion/winchester-model-1892-all-rifle-survey/
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Hello Patrick,
I received the photos of your rifle. The gun was previously sold/listed on Gunbroker.com out of Spokane, Washington. Since that listing the rear sight has been removed and the screw your are trying to remove is now different also. I have included photos from the original listing for comparison.
These photos are of your rifle presently
As you mentioned the stock does fit poorly but I do not see anything in the images which indicates why the screw should not be able to be removed.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I pulled off the sight and changed the screw. The sight was incorrect and the screw was bent very badly. screw in it now is new (grrr.) all I could find short notice. how long ago was it on gunbroker? it would have done alot of traveling from spokane wa. to south texas.
Hello Patrick,
I do not have a date for when I saw the rifle on Gunbroker. Is the screw that you replaced the one that is also stuck???
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Did you have to resort to a cordless drill or impact driver to get the screw out?
I removed the screw that was in it when I bought the gun. I put a new screw in and it works, with the exception of finding a lil bit more period screw consider the screw situation HANDLED. I am also in the process of finding correct ladder sight. Now my next question is do I want to invest two hundred dollars into a sight, will I be putting more money into the gun than its worth?
sb said
Did you have to resort to a cordless drill or impact driver to get the screw out?
had to drill out the top, easy out the bottom by running it in, slide stock out and pushed it threw, Screw had a very nasty bend in it. I believe this happened the same time the tangs were bent causing the stock not match up to receiver (theory: dropped, hit etc.)
patrick tompkins said
I removed the screw that was in it when I bought the gun. I put a new screw in and it works, with the exception of finding a lil bit more period screw consider the screw situation HANDLED. I am also in the process of finding correct ladder sight. Now my next question is do I want to invest two hundred dollars into a sight, will I be putting more money into the gun than its worth?
For what it’s worth, if you want to keep it and use it, then I’d look patiently for a good price on a lower condition ladder sight. I’d want it to be correct if I was going to keep it for myself to use. I see them once in a while for $125 to $150. With some luck, you might find one with a minor problem for $100.
You could also go the route of putting a filler in the rear dovetail and putting a tang sight on it.
twobit said
Hello Patrick,
I received the photos of your rifle. The gun was previously sold/listed on Gunbroker.com out of Spokane, Washington. Since that listing the rear sight has been removed and the screw your are trying to remove is now different also. I have included photos from the original listing for comparison.
These photos are of your rifle presently
As you mentioned the stock does fit poorly but I do not see anything in the images which indicates why the screw should not be able to be removed.
Michael
Michael,
Looking at the upper tang markings in these photos, it appears you are showing two different guns. Were you saying these pics are all of the same gun? I’m a little confused here.
oakridge said
twobit said
Hello Patrick,
I received the photos of your rifle. The gun was previously sold/listed on Gunbroker.com out of Spokane, Washington. Since that listing the rear sight has been removed and the screw your are trying to remove is now different also. I have included photos from the original listing for comparison.
These photos are of your rifle presently
As you mentioned the stock does fit poorly but I do not see anything in the images which indicates why the screw should not be able to be removed.
Michael
Michael,
Looking at the upper tang markings in these photos, it appears you are showing two different guns. Were you saying these pics are all of the same gun? I’m a little confused here.
Look at the rear left edge of the frame ring… take note that both sets of pictures show the same ding in it. The reason the upper tang pictures look different is because Patrick replaced the tang screw.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Also, if you look closely at the buttstock where it meets the tang, the damage/wear appears to be identical on both images, though the recent damage on the second set of photos is seen more clearly.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Bert is correct. The photos are definitely of the same rifle but only the large tang screw has been switched and there is a bite out of the stock as a result of the effort.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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