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basically a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16″ needs to be registered as a short barrel rifle (sbr) this would be modern AR or something like a AMD65 AK without the permanently attached muzzle device to make it 16 inch.
Interesting trivia, a C96 broomhandle mauser is not required to be registered as a sbr with a factory stock attached to the pistol. basically its exempt from the Nfa rules on a short barreled rifle as long as it’s a original stock, not a reproduction. I think the german lugers fall into this catagory too.
Thanks again for posting the 2 pics. does the sight look added on to the barrel? the sight leaf is pinned on the post. In the condition of the rifle, I understand it probably has zero collectability, so what’s the expert opinions? bolt on my new stock, load it up and keep it as a shooter? jim
Thanks Don. I have a black gun that has a 14″ barrel with a fixed brake to make it 16″ Should have know this about the 16″ barrels.
well, the Ebay complete bolt assembly just came in. I pulled the firing pin out of the rifle a d sure enough it was broke at the tip. swapped the firing pin out and it protrudes like its suppose to, and there was no fitting. I think the Ebay ad said it was a 1908 built assembly.
now I just need to find some time to see how it shoots.
basically the cost break down was 100 for the carbine, 60 bolt assembly 45 for the pivot pin, screw, stock screw, hammer spring and screw, $55 new walnut stock, and 50 for the carrier.
So $310 dollars for a now complete 1911 saddle ring carbine. with good rifling but has “patina” as us hotrodders calls cars without paint.
I’m not a winchester collector, just cant say no to a orphaned guns, cars or Honda ATC’s (3 wheelers) I like to get them and fix stuff up. it probably would have made more sense to have just brought it home and advertised it and doubled my initial 100 dollars, but I can ow say I own a antique winchester. jim
In my personal opinion, you done good. I did something similar for a 94 made in 98, 38-55 OBFMCB. Bought a manual from Homestead, took it all the way down, CLP’d everything, light scrub with a tooth brush, replaced all broken and missing parts (carrier screws, mag spring, firing pin, loading gate, front site blade, rear site elevator) re-bent the carrier, put it back together and shot it fine.
As stated, I love the look of a rust bucket that’s been CLP’d.
I also love dark, nearly black wood. Mine is already that way. Yours, I would try oiling the hell out of it and see if you could bring it back at all. If not, try to shore it up. Even copper wire or homemade brass plates holding pieces in looks better to me than new wood. As long as it’s hand done with love.
If you have to get new wood, I would not get carbine. I would re-use that crescent butt plate that you got it with, and stain an unfinished rifle stock and forearm with a talc/ethylene-glycol/water/carbon-black stain followed by raw linseed oil. Carbon black looks good. People say raw linseed oil never dries but I think they live on the coast. Where I live, it dries up in a week.
Then I’d take it out and shoot it and hear it tell me “thanks”. Then I’d put it upright in the corner somewhere where it can only be seen by children and old men who care about such things. And I’d smile inside every time I glimpse it.
$100.00? As my son would say: “SCORE!” To each his own, but if’n I was you and I ever even thought of buyer’s remorse, or selling it, I’d go in the closet and slap myself.
Huck, the guy I bought it from thought he scored. he told me he paid $30 bucks for it at a yard sale in tombstone the day before and tripled his money. he was happy, I was happy, I’ve now owned it 1 month, this weekend is the antique swap meet again (every 1st Sunday of the month).
Just so I understand exactly what I have.
a winchester 1894 saddle ring carbine with a 16″ barrel, and 9+ inch for arm
made in 1911. is there any thing I’m missing? thanks again for any information. jim
jim mac said
well, the Ebay complete bolt assembly just came in. I pulled the firing pin out of the rifle a d sure enough it was broke at the tip. swapped the firing pin out and it protrudes like its suppose to, and there was no fitting. I think the Ebay ad said it was a 1908 built assembly.now I just need to find some time to see how it shoots.
basically the cost break down was 100 for the carbine, 60 bolt assembly 45 for the pivot pin, screw, stock screw, hammer spring and screw, $55 new walnut stock, and 50 for the carrier.
So $310 dollars for a now complete 1911 saddle ring carbine. with good rifling but has “patina” as us hotrodders calls cars without paint.
I’m not a winchester collector, just cant say no to a orphaned guns, cars or Honda ATC’s (3 wheelers) I like to get them and fix stuff up. it probably would have made more sense to have just brought it home and advertised it and doubled my initial 100 dollars, but I can ow say I own a antique winchester. jim
My first ATC had the airplane balloon style tires with no wheels. You could ride these across the top of slow moving water.
chuck you described a US 90 same as the trikes in the movie diamonds are forever with Sean Connery. A set of those tires would get you a really nice winchester rifle. jim
hopefully last question on this rifle. got a guy interested in it, in the condition in the pics, anyone have a ball park what you would sell this thing for? I’ve got just over 300 bucks in it. buyer isnt a buddy. So it wouldnt be a friend deal. thx. jim
jim mac said
hopefully last question on this rifle. got a guy interested in it, in the condition in the pics, anyone have a ball park what you would sell this thing for? I’ve got just over 300 bucks in it. buyer isnt a buddy. So it wouldnt be a friend deal. thx. jim
I paid about $325.00 for a beat up 38-55 1894 OBFMCB made in 1898 and I’m happy as a clam. If yours was OBFMCB then I’d I’d pay $400.00 for it in the condition it shows in your initial photos. That’s just me though.
Decided not to sell the carbine, I’m pretty sure I wont find another beat up old crusty pre 64 for $300 any time soon. This one has a cool story that means nothing to anybody but me. I’m going to keep the new stock on it so I can shoot it, in the mean time I’m going to find some hardwood to graft into the broken rifle stock and epoxy and brass pin it together. Jim
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