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Apologies for newbie questions but I found a Model 70 Super Classic Express .458 for sale and snatched it up. Ammo is nearly impossible to find but I’m wonder if I were to thread the barrel for a .460 suppressor, would I destroy the rifles value?
DallasRepub said
Apologies for newbie questions but I found a Model 70 Super Classic Express .458 for sale and snatched it up. Ammo is nearly impossible to find but I’m wonder if I were to thread the barrel for a .460 suppressor, would I destroy the rifles value?
To a collector or for future sale: yes/maybe….for you to keep for life and shoot and enjoy and pass it down: no. Make sure you create a legal pathway for your heirs to own those suppressors….maybe by then they’ll be dropped off the NFA.
Jeremy P said
DallasRepub said
Apologies for newbie questions but I found a Model 70 Super Classic Express .458 for sale and snatched it up. Ammo is nearly impossible to find but I’m wonder if I were to thread the barrel for a .460 suppressor, would I destroy the rifles value?
To a collector or for future sale: yes/maybe….for you to keep for life and shoot and enjoy and pass it down: no. Make sure you create a legal pathway for your heirs to own those suppressors….maybe by then they’ll be dropped off the NFA.
IMO , suppressor’s are never going to be dropped of the NFA list.
Jeremy P said Make sure you create a legal pathway for your heirs to own those suppressors….maybe by then they’ll be dropped off the NFA.
Dream on. COULD have been done when Repubs briefly held control of all 3 branches of gov’t, but the morons squandered that un-repeatable opportunity railing against Obamacare, but doing nothing to reform it. But that’s a minor malfeasance; they COULD have finished the border wall!
Ignoring the cost & legal complications of a suppressor, the mere idea of one on a SG is an offense against good taste.
On top of all this< what would be the purpose of suppressing a 458? The thing is a short range beast which makes no sense as a sniper rifle. Even Harry Callahan couldn’t hit the perp with it.
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A modern 45-70 would be a better candidate for a can. You won’t be able to take full advantage of the cartridge AND the suppressor with the .458, IMHO. Suppressors work best with subsonic bullets and are only somewhat effective with faster rounds. Just my opinion, of course. I collect old Winchesters and don’t do NFA or much of anything modern. 😉
Mike
clarence said
Jeremy P said Make sure you create a legal pathway for your heirs to own those suppressors….maybe by then they’ll be dropped off the NFA.
Dream on. COULD have been done when Repubs briefly held control of all 3 branches of gov’t, but the morons squandered that un-repeatable opportunity railing against Obamacare, but doing nothing to reform it. But that’s a minor malfeasance; they COULD have finished the border wall!
Ignoring the cost & legal complications of a suppressor, the mere idea of one on a SG is an offense against good taste.
Exactly.
oldcrankyyankee said
On top of all this< what would be the purpose of suppressing a 458? The thing is a short range beast which makes no sense as a sniper rifle. Even Harry Callahan couldn’t hit the perp with it.
FFL told me it would make shooting the gun fun and TOLERABLE
Jeremy P said
DallasRepub said
Apologies for newbie questions but I found a Model 70 Super Classic Express .458 for sale and snatched it up. Ammo is nearly impossible to find but I’m wonder if I were to thread the barrel for a .460 suppressor, would I destroy the rifles value?
To a collector or for future sale: yes/maybe….for you to keep for life and shoot and enjoy and pass it down: no. Make sure you create a legal pathway for your heirs to own those suppressors….maybe by then they’ll be dropped off the NFA.
Wise words sir. Thanks
DallasRepub said
oldcrankyyankee said
On top of all this< what would be the purpose of suppressing a 458? The thing is a short range beast which makes no sense as a sniper rifle. Even Harry Callahan couldn’t hit the perp with it.
FFL told me it would make shooting the gun fun and TOLERABLE
If your looking for tolerable shop for what was called a Rem-Vent, it is a muzzle brake that redirects the muzzle gases up and back. Had the opportunity in the late 80’s to see one on a 458, before and after, simply amazing and no form 4 needed..
clarence said
Jeremy P said Make sure you create a legal pathway for your heirs to own those suppressors….maybe by then they’ll be dropped off the NFA.
Dream on. COULD have been done when Repubs briefly held control of all 3 branches of gov’t, but the morons squandered that un-repeatable opportunity railing against Obamacare, but doing nothing to reform it. But that’s a minor malfeasance; they COULD have finished the border wall!
Ignoring the cost & legal complications of a suppressor, the mere idea of one on a SG is an offense against good taste.
Hey….keep hope alive!
OP… if you decide you want to load your own, let me know. I’ve got several boxes of new 458 Winchester brass.. 😉
Ben said
OP… if you decide you want to load your own, let me know. I’ve got several boxes of new 458 Winchester brass.. 😉
That’s a FAR better idea than attaching a suppressor, despite what the “FFL” said about doing so. (He’s done that before on a .458?) Loading those cases even to .45-70 velocity levels would give your shoulder all the abuse most folks care to endure. And at that level, cases would last hundreds of firings.
clarence said
Ben said
OP… if you decide you want to load your own, let me know. I’ve got several boxes of new 458 Winchester brass.. 😉
That’s a FAR better idea than attaching a suppressor, despite what the “FFL” said about doing so. (He’s done that before on a .458?) Loading those cases even to .45-70 velocity levels would give your shoulder all the abuse most folks care to endure. And at that level, cases would last hundreds of firings.
Concur. Oddly enough, the .458 tolerates being downloaded rather well, probably because its case capacity is stingy compared to other big bore elephant stompers. Why screw up the appearance of a handsome Model 70?
I confess ignorance of how much noise attenuation a suppressor provides, compared to a muzzle brake, which things I truly detest after an experience with a Sauer-built Mark 5 .300 with a factory milled Pendleton Dekicker, which effectively converted the skinny 24 inch barrel to 22 inches. The rifle felt like a 270 but plugs and muffs wouldn’t keep my ears from ringing. Found a bigger fool.
You can make useful and pleasant .458 loads with 350 grain commercial cast lead, loaded to below 2000 fs, that will instantly terminate any feral hog that walks. Load it further down for edible Whitetail deer and go to a heavier bullet, to avoid a lot of bloodshot meat.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
There are several handloading options here (good ones) but if the original poster is desirous of shooting full power loads (factory loads) and want recoil brought way down, some sort of modification is indicated. I like Tom’s vent idea a lot better than a suppressor.
I’m not an African hunter but have read a number of Safari companies have forbidden the use of muzzle brakes because their Safari staff were sustaining hearing damage.
If the Pendleton Dekicker is any example, muzzle brakes are not worth the permanent damage. An ENT told me a high pressure magnum rifle with a brake can deafen an unprotected ear with one shot
The Pendleton is not a device but rather a technique – machining out the first two inches of the muzzle and drilling or burning a series of holes around the circumference of the bore. It may be the same as the Williams integral brake. I suppose the Magnaport process does the same thing. But they extract a terrific penalty in hearing loss.
Like many of us, I’ve earned a set of hearing aids, although it took decades.
I just hate to see relatively young men lose their hearing (and balance) so early, because of a brake.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Zebulon said
I’m not an African hunter but have read a number of Safari companies have forbidden the use of muzzle brakes because their Safari staff were sustaining hearing damage.If the Pendleton Dekicker is any example, muzzle brakes are not worth the permanent damage. An ENT told me a high pressure magnum rifle with a brake can deafen an unprotected ear with one shot
The Pendleton is not a device but rather a technique – machining out the first two inches of the muzzle and drilling or burning a series of holes around the circumference of the bore. It may be the same as the Williams integral brake. I suppose the Magnaport process does the same thing. But they extract a terrific penalty in hearing loss.
Like many of us, I’ve earned a set of hearing aids, although it took decades.
I just hate to see relatively young men lose their hearing (and balance) so early, because of a brake.
Bill –
I’m with you on the hearing issues. I do a whole lot less shooting because of various muzzle devices. Not that I own any – I don’t. The problem is many guys at the range own them. There’s not much room between shooters. Sometimes I have had, on both sides of me, shooters using braked, vented or compensated rifles. Sometimes they are shooting semi-auto .308’s with long magazines. Usually, it seems they have a limitless supply of ammunition. The noise and the concussive blast is really something (I have many bad words I could use here). Many times, I just pack up and leave. For the last several years, I have noted the range is ever more populated with these type rifles. It does not make me happy. The irritating paradox of course for me sitting at the range is knowing that I’m getting a lot more noise and blast than the shooters themselves are 
One improvement our range made is they require brass catchers for AR type rifles. And that had been an irritant – hot brass hitting my skin when I’m trying to shoot. That is now less frequent but still, I am often packing up early because of the noise and blast.
Many states allow cans. I believe these still have to be registered? A lot of places the cans are desired because they create less noise. Many modern high velocity rifles have cans. But they can get very dirty fast.
I shoot 2 rifles with muzzle breaks. They reduce recoil but are much louder and often blast the people next to you. Some blow sideways, rearward at an angle, up and combinations if the 3.
steve004 said
I’m with you on the hearing issues. I do a whole lot less shooting because of various muzzle devices. Not that I own any – I don’t. The problem is many guys at the range own them. There’s not much room between shooters. Sometimes I have had, on both sides of me, shooters using braked, vented or compensated rifles. Sometimes they are shooting semi-auto .308’s with long magazines. Usually, it seems they have a limitless supply of ammunition. The noise and the concussive blast is really something (I have many bad words I could use here). Many times, I just pack up and leave. For the last several years, I have noted the range is ever more populated with these type rifles. It does not make me happy. The irritating paradox of course for me sitting at the range is knowing that I’m getting a lot more noise and blast than the shooters themselves are
I couldn’t endure shooting under such conditions, or even being on the property. If one other person is shooting at my range when I get there (seldom happens, as I only go out about two hrs before sundown, when the light is optimal), I turn around & leave,
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