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Everyone be very leary of this guy. His guns are over described and missing key photos showing flaws. The bore in the 2nd model I purchased in the last auction was pitted from end to end and had artificial color added to the barrel to hide a deep gouge. I also purchased another “MINT, 99.9%” gun after the auction and it had similar issues including a replaced or resurfaced carrier. The seller is refusing to refund the money after he sold them both “on inspection”
“BUYER BEWARE”
What listing are you referring to? Model, etc?
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
1873 Winchester,
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=538024214
Way out of my price range and/or interest range. Did notice several dings on the “perfect wood” and wear on the dust cover and forend cap – odd for amazing condition 99% blue. Also odd that the piece was made in 1911 but no FFL is required by purchaser.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Both of those guns didn’t show mint blue like he claimed. They have speckles in the finish and the blue looked thin. The latest gun was sold in a Julias auction for 10k back in 07 I think.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
The 2nd model sold in the last couple years at one of the major auction houses for $7k hammer.
sold $18,575
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Lot of money for a refinished gun. Hope someone knows the buyer and can let him know.
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-2415a-rare-winchester-model-1873-lever-action-short-rifle-32620/
Hi,
Wow! There are more fakes out there than I thought. This is common for ’92 Trapper carbines. Maybe he can cancel the sale before he pays. Thanks for the alert on this seller.
Walter
Hi,
Something is odd on this item. Every time I post a reply it is kicked to a another page. Someone not wanting this response to an altered gun?
Walter
I’m not seeing a refinished gun but its not mint like the seller says. The receiver has thin blue were you can see speckles in the blue.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Bob, When Julia’s sold the gun it had 75% blue on the left side, now its 99%. I put a link under my refinish comment.
Bob,
This is the same serial number in the Julia auction. Look at the Julia photos again.
Walter
Interesting, I see what you mean.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
nanzca;
I’ve been dealing and collecting 1873’s for about 40 years, I’ve found that when it comes to “High Condition” firearms, be they Winchesters, Colts or whatever I’ve learned to ALWAYS look past the metal and wood finish and what I call into “the heart of the gun”. This 1873 is a good example. Based on the photos shown we have what the Seller says is “99+%”. All stampings are sharp, wood retains 99% of the finish, metal the same, yet there’s something very wrong here. Look closer. What do you see in the photos? The first RED FLAG that hits my eye is the wood. The finish is at least 99%, but there are mars under this finish. Check the photos of both the Forearm and the Butt Stock. There are marks under the finish that shouldn’t be found on a vertually “Perfect” firearm. Once I see something like this, I’ll probably pass on it. I figure if one part was tinkered with, what else was “Worked On”?? This is one of the main reasons I usually sought “Used” rather than High Condition, Museum Quality” guns. Most firearms that have been worked on give you a message if you look hard enough, but there are guns, very few, that do not. I’d rather pass if I have ANY doubts then find out after that I screwed up. Like I’ve said many times before, “If you want a perfect, super condition firearm, a 100 year old “Closet Queen”, stay away from “antiques” and buy a New One”. This way you can be sure it’s 100% original, and not been played with.
Apache
Amen!
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
wallyb said
Hi,
Something is odd on this item. Every time I post a reply it is kicked to a another page. Someone not wanting this response to an altered gun?
Walter
Walter,
I suspect that it is being caused by the loose nut behind your computer keyboard and monitor 
(I am poking some fun at you).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
apache said
nanzca;
I’ve been dealing and collecting 1873’s for about 40 years, I’ve found that when it comes to “High Condition” firearms, be they Winchesters, Colts or whatever I’ve learned to ALWAYS look past the metal and wood finish and what I call into “the heart of the gun”. This 1873 is a good example. Based on the photos shown we have what the Seller says is “99+%”. All stampings are sharp, wood retains 99% of the finish, metal the same, yet there’s something very wrong here. Look closer. What do you see in the photos? The first RED FLAG that hits my eye is the wood. The finish is at least 99%, but there are mars under this finish. Check the photos of both the Forearm and the Butt Stock. There are marks under the finish that shouldn’t be found on a vertually “Perfect” firearm. Once I see something like this, I’ll probably pass on it. I figure if one part was tinkered with, what else was “Worked On”?? This is one of the main reasons I usually sought “Used” rather than High Condition, Museum Quality” guns. Most firearms that have been worked on give you a message if you look hard enough, but there are guns, very few, that do not. I’d rather pass if I have ANY doubts then find out after that I screwed up. Like I’ve said many times before, “If you want a perfect, super condition firearm, a 100 year old “Closet Queen”, stay away from “antiques” and buy a New One”. This way you can be sure it’s 100% original, and not been played with.
Apache
The seller also has an “unspecified” return policy. Another big red flag for me. If the seller won’t stand behind the item with a 3-day money back inspection period, I’m not interested.
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