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What time frame did Winchester go from the serrated to the checkered butt plate??
Thanks
Jay
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cranky2 said
Question for BertWhat time frame did Winchester go from the serrated to the checkered butt plate??
Thanks
Jay
Jay,
The butt plate type transition began with Model 94s serialized in December of 1945, with an intermix of butt plate types through to the Spring of 1946 (late March – early April). By the time the Flat-band Carbines were introduced in July 1946, all of them were fitted with the checkered steel butt plates.
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Sorry
Bert H. said
S/N 1434066 is a “post-WW II” production Carbine, manufactured in the Spring of 1947. It should have a Type 2 receiver, a serrated hammer, and checkered steel butt plate (not serrated).Serrated butt plate
Checkered butt plate
Yes, it’s checkered.
Shoot low boys. They're riding Shetland Ponies.
Bert H. said
You are correct, it is an April 1942 production Model 94. Which caliber is it? If it is a 30 WCF, does it have a Canadian Broad Arrow stamped on the left lower front side of the receiver frame? The serial number is within the known range of the Model 94 Carbines sold to the Canadian government to equip the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR) during WW II.
Bert
I have a Model 94 30 WCF serial number 1333311. Not finding much info. on it myself.
Karl S. said
I have a Model 94 30 WCF serial number 1333311. Not finding much info. on it myself.
What specific information are you looking for? Based on the serial number, it was manufactured in the Spring of 1942. Does it have the Canadian Broad Arrow stamp on the receiver and butt stock?
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Hello,
This is such great wealth of information on a single site! I do have a question, from what I have read here I think I have an early 1942 Rifle. If you could verify that I would really appreciate it.
My Rifle: 94-30 W.C.F. (1322261)
Thanks, Jim
Jim,
February 1942.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I just bought a 1894, 30 WCF serial number 128389, would you be so kind as to tell me when it was manufactured?
Thank you very much
RandyMac from Siskiyou County, CA
RandyMac said
I just bought a 1894, 30 WCF serial number 128389, would you be so kind as to tell me when it was manufactured?Thank you very much
RandyMac from Siskiyou County, CA
October 1901.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thank you Bert.
It looks look Teddy took it to Africa, but is very sound, I’m happy with it, paid $600 for it.
Okay not good at this but will give it a try. My rifle that I just acquired belonged to my friends father in law who has passed. A pad was added then replaced because of hardness. The 94 carbine is in the serial number range than Bert and the rest have spoken about. Here are the particulars and pictures if I can get them loaded. Serial 1267384, top tang marked and drilled for tang sight, barrel marked 30WCF, under barrel marked 30WCF and barrel date of 41. No W stamped below serial as I know Model 12s have the
W also for bluing. Any questions please ask. I know Bert keeps a tab on these as well as I do for Model 12s. Now my question is anyone have any idea of the black paint done very well to mark the gun?
missmodel12 said
Okay not good at this but will give it a try. My rifle that I just acquired belonged to my friends father in law who has passed. A pad was added then replaced because of hardness. The 94 carbine is in the serial number range than Bert and the rest have spoken about. Here are the particulars and pictures if I can get them loaded. Serial 1267384, top tang marked and drilled for tang sight, barrel marked 30WCF, under barrel marked 30WCF and barrel date of 41. No W stamped below serial as I know Model 12s have the
Your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured in February 1941, and it is in the transition from those with the “W” stamp and those without it. The black paint on the stocks is something a past owner added after the fact.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi Bert!
Another fool with a question about a war-era (or post-war-era) 1894. My serial number is 1479086. It seems to have been made around 1946-1947 from my research, but the manufacturing numbers listed on the first page of this thread have me questioning that.
Thank you for your help, and also, I’m very impressed by your knowledge and research! I would love to read your article you mentioned earlier in this thread!
Thanks again!
Scott
Scott Ansin-Blanchar said
Hi Bert!Another fool with a question about a war-era (or post-war-era) 1894. My serial number is 1479086. It seems to have been made around 1946-1947 from my research, but the manufacturing numbers listed on the first page of this thread have me questioning that.
Thank you for your help, and also, I’m very impressed by your knowledge and research! I would love to read your article you mentioned earlier in this thread!
Thanks again!
Scott
Model 94 s/n 1479086 is a Flat-band Carbine manufactured in January 1948. Which caliber is it?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Scott Ansin-Blanchar said
Hi Bert!
Another fool with a question about a war-era (or post-war-era) 1894. My serial number is 1479086. It seems to have been made around 1946-1947 from my research, but the manufacturing numbers listed on the first page of this thread have me questioning that.
Thank you for your help, and also, I’m very impressed by your knowledge and research! I would love to read your article you mentioned earlier in this thread!
Thanks again!
Scott
Model 94 s/n 1479086 is a Flat-band Carbine manufactured in January 1948. Which caliber is it?
Bert
Wow! Thanks for the quick reply! It’s the .30-30. I thought it would have been made before 1948, since on the Winchester logs, 1948 begins with the 1500000 that went to President Truman. Makes sense that they only began recording after 1500000 though!
Thanks again!
Scott,
The year 1948 did not begin with s/n 1500000. Serial number 1500000 was actually manufactured in May 1948, and they most definitely did not “only began recording after 1500000“. Winchester diligently recorded (daily) the final serial number applied to the receiver frames at the end of every single batch completed.
The Polishing Room serialization records books (where that date information was recorded) are in possession of the Cody Firearms Museum records office for the September 1894 – December 1945 time period, and Pauline Muerrle (a former Winchester Custon Shop employee) has the records for January 1946 through the late 1960s. If you are interested in learning the exact date that your Model 94 was manufactured, you can contact Pauline – Pauline Muerrle | Winchester Authentication
I suspect that you are using one of the numerous (but erroneous) documents that have been on the internet for 20+ years now. My suggestion to you, is to use the look-up tool found under the “Resources” drop-down at the top of the WACA website page. I am in the process of updating some of the many models that are listed in the drop-down list.
Bert – WACA Historian
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Scott,The year 1948 did not begin with s/n 1500000. Serial number 1500000 was actually manufactured in May 1948, and they most definitely did not “only began recording after 1500000“. Winchester diligently recorded (daily) the final serial number applied to the receiver frames at the end of every single batch completed.
The Polishing Room serialization records books (where that date information was recorded) are in possession of the Cody Firearms Museum records office for the September 1894 – December 1945 time period, and Pauline Muerrle (a former Winchester Custon Shop employee) has the records for January 1946 through the late 1960s. If you are interested in learning the exact date that your Model 94 was manufactured, you can contact Pauline – Pauline Muerrle | Winchester Authentication
I suspect that you are using one of the numerous (but erroneous) documents that have been on the internet for 20+ years now. My suggestion to you, is to use the look-up tool found under the “Resources” drop-down at the top of the WACA website page. I am in the process of updating some of the many models that are listed in the drop-down list.
Bert – WACA Historian
Interesting! Thanks for the info!! I was going off of the document listed on what I assumed to be Winchester’s official website (winchesterguns.com).
I will definitely contact Pauline to learn the exact date! Maybe I am a bit of a nerd, but I love having a story for my firearm’s history!rnHere’s is the document I was referencing earlier, for reference: https://www.winchesterguns.com/content/dam/winchester-repeating-arms/support/faq/serial-number-reference/winchester-firearm-manufacture-dates.pdfrn
Cheers!
Bert H. said rnMike,rnrnThe Flat band Carbine were not drilled & tapped for a tang sight or a receiver sight (unless special ordered).rnrnBertrn rnBert H. said rnrnLARRY RUSSELL said rnrnI have a Winchester Model 94, serial number 1193367, and most of my research indicates the year of manufacture to be 1942, although one site differed and it claimed 1938. Seeing many different photos none have what mine does and that is what I call a leather shoulder strap. Do you still live in Washington? I reside in Wenatchee. rnrnrnLarry,rnrnThe one website that differed, is the one that has the correct information! Your Model 94 was manufactured in October, 1938.rnrnYes, I am still in Washington (Kingston).rnrnBertrn rn
If your still on here would you know when 1447566 was manufactured? Like a previous dude from 2015 I’m havin a lil trouble with my search bout my new rifle
A.D.Bailey II said
If your still on here would you know when 1447566 was manufactured? Like a previous dude from 2015 I’m havin a lil trouble with my search bout my new rifle
July 1947. Which caliber is it?
Bert
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LARRY RUSSELL said
Bert H. said
Vern,
I am not sure why you find the WW II serial numbering frustrating? Your statement…
“I understand the records are missing…”
is not accurate. There are surviving records for the entire duration of WW II. Furthermore, your statement…
“I know the Polishing Room records can be off by a couple of years.”
is also not accurate. The Polishing Room serialization records are not off at all. Instead, it is the DOM information published by past authors that is off by as much as four years.
In answer to your question(s)
Anyone out there done any serious research into War Time Records? Are there any recent books that address the issue?
Yes, I have completed a considerable amount of research in regards to this subject.
Serial number 1313055 was manufactured in late December of 1941. The last Model 94 manufactured before production was temporarily halted to support the War efforts was serial number 1343183 on 8/23/1942. Production was resumed on a full time basis on 9/24/1945, with serial number 1343271 listed as the last one made on that day. By 12/29/1945, serial numbers had reached 1352066. The annual production numbers were as follows;
1941 – 53,738
1942 – 29,882
1943 – 0
1944 – 13
1945 – 8,870
I wrote an article that appeared in the “WINCHESTER Collector” magazine several years ago that discussed the Model 1894/94 serialization/production. Additionally, I included the Model 1894/94 serializtion/production table in “The RED BOOK of WINCHESTER Values, 3rd Edition”, chapters 7 and 8.
Bert
I have a Winchester Model 94, serial number 1193367, and most of my research indicates the year of manufacture to be 1942, although one site differed and it claimed 1938. Seeing many different photos none have what mine does and that is what I call a leather shoulder strap. Do you still live in Washington? I reside in Wenatchee.
Seems I have it’s cousin. Sn 1198616
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