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Using Kroil (penetrating oil) and a fine mesh copper wool pad will also remove the rust without damaging the surrounding bluing, and the Kroil is handy for many other around the house/shop projects.

“9412” was the catalog order number for a standard 20-inch full mag 30 WCF carbine.

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What Bert said on cleaning the buttplate, Bud.  And do not clean all of it off until it is shiny…just maintain control/removal of any surface rust.

 

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Bert, do you know when Winchester started marking their boxes with the serial number of the firearm? 

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Bert, do you know when Winchester started marking their boxes with the serial number of the firearm? 

James  

No, I do not.  I was expecting to see it on the subject box, and was somewhat surprised that it was not present.

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Bert H. said

No, I do not.  I was expecting to see it on the subject box, and was somewhat surprised that it was not present.

Bert  

Thank you.

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3Dub said
Winchester typically put a 4-digit symbol # on the end labels to indicate the configuration of the rifle inside; I don’t know if yours is a 9412 or not.

 

The “Frontier Big 45 Pad” is the go-to product many people use to remove rust from blued steel. When used with a light oil and some elbow grease, it removes corrosion without removing the bluing. It cannot restore any lost bluing but will improve the situation.  

Because deep down, I am just like my friend JWA (Jeff), here is a complete listing of all the Model 94 catalog order numbers and prices as of 1927… all (52) of them!

Model 94 Catalog Order Numbers as of 1927
         
Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9405 25-35 WCF $35.30 $51.80  
9419 30 WCF $35.30 $51.80  
9425 32 WS $35.30 $51.80  
9435 32-40 $35.30 $51.80  
9445 38-55 $35.30 $51.80  
         
Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9406 25-35 WCF $36.45 $53.00  
9420 30 WCF $36.45 $53.00  
9428 32 WS $36.45 $53.00  
9436 32-40 $36.45 $53.00  
9446 38-55 $36.45 $53.00  
         
Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9407 25-35 WCF $38.10 $55.90  
9417 30 WCF $38.10 $55.90  
9429 32 WS $38.10 $55.90  
9439 32-40 $38.10 $55.90  
9449 38-55 $38.10 $55.90  
         
Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9408 25-35 WCF $39.45 $57.70  
9418 30 WCF $39.45 $57.70  
9431 32 WS $39.45 $57.70  
9440 32-40 $39.45 $57.70  
9451 38-55 $39.45 $57.70  
         
Solid Frame 20 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 7 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9414 30 WCF $38.10 $55.90  
         
Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9403 25-35 WCF $48.20 $70.80  
9416 30 WCF $48.20 $70.80  
9427 32 WS $48.20 $70.80  
9437 32-40 $48.20 $70.80  
9447 38-55 $48.20 $70.80  
         
Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9409 25-35 WCF $49.45 $72.60  
9421 30 WCF $49.45 $72.60  
9426 32 WS $49.45 $72.60  
9438 32-40 $49.45 $72.60  
9448 38-55 $49.45 $72.60  
         
Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9404 25-35 WCF $51.05 $75.00  
9415 30 WCF $51.05 $75.00  
9430 32 WS $51.05 $75.00  
9441 32-40 $51.05 $75.00  
9452 38-55 $51.05 $75.00  
         
Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9410 25-35 WCF $52.30 $76.80  
9422 30 WCF $52.30 $76.80  
9432 32 WS $52.30 $76.80  
9442 32-40 $52.30 $76.80  
9453 38-55 $52.30 $76.80  
         
Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots  
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9401 25-35 WCF $32.70 $47.90  
9412 30 WCF $32.70 $47.90  
9423 32 WS $32.70 $47.90  
9433 32-40 $32.70 $47.90  
9443 38-55 $32.70 $47.90  
         
Carbine 15 In. Full Magazine  
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9411 30 WCF $32.70 $47.90  
         
Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots  
Order No. Caliber Wholesale Retail  
9402 25-35 WCF $33.95 $49.70  
9413 30 WCF $33.95 $49.70  
9424 32 WS $33.95 $49.70  
9434 32-40 $33.95 $49.70  
9444 38-55 $33.95 $49.70  

If anyone would like a copy of this (Excel spreadsheet), send me a PM or email.

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Very nice Winchester 94.  My suggestion is leave the rusting alone if the gun will be sold, A high condition Winchester will be purchased by an experienced collector and they will have the experience in cleaning the gun and not destroying the finish on the wood stock, wrecking the screws or other issues you may encounter on learning to preserve a fine piece.  If you found a rare painting would you try and clean and refinish the painting or take it to an expert.  If you are keeping the rifle, take it to an expert and have it professionally worked on.  I have damaged lower conditioned firearms teaching myself on how to clean them.  Now I find someone that is knowledgeable on how to preserve them.  

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Bert H. said

Because deep down, I am just like my friend JWA (Jeff), here is a complete listing of all the Model 94 catalog order numbers and prices as of 1927… all (52) of them!
 

Awesome info, but deep down we are VERY different, I prefer MS Word tables instead of MS Excel for my lists. 😉

Thanks for posting your efforts!

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Thank you all for this very good information.

i will heed your advice and leave it for some one else to screw up.  I am thinking of selling it to help pay for the AC on the house that has gone belly up.  I just need to move slowly and get as much smarts as I can.

i really do appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge.

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JWA said 

Awesome info, but deep down we are VERY different, I prefer MS Word tables instead of MS Excel for my lists. 😉

Thanks for posting your efforts!

Best Regards,  

Jeff,

Just because you asked, here is a condensed version, and in a MS Word table!

Model 94 Catalog Order Numbers as of 1927
Order No. Caliber Variation Wholesale Retail
9401 25-35 WCF Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots $32.70 $47.90
9402 25-35 WCF Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots $33.95 $49.70
9403 25-35 WCF Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $48.20 $70.80
9404 25-35 WCF Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $51.05 $75.00
9405 25-35 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $35.30 $51.80
9406 25-35 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $36.45 $53.00
9407 25-35 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $38.10 $55.90
9408 25-35 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $39.45 $57.70
9409 25-35 WCF Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $49.45 $72.60
9410 25-35 WCF Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $52.30 $76.80
9411 30 WCF Carbine 15 In. Full Magazine $32.70 $47.90
9412 30 WCF Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots $32.70 $47.90
9413 30 WCF Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots $33.95 $49.70
9414 30 WCF Solid Frame 20 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 7 Shots $38.10 $55.90
9415 30 WCF Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $51.05 $75.00
9416 30 WCF Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $48.20 $70.80
9417 30 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $38.10 $55.90
9418 30 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $39.45 $57.70
9419 30 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $35.30 $51.80
9420 30 WCF Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $36.45 $53.00
9421 30 WCF Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $49.45 $72.60
9422 30 WCF Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $52.30 $76.80
9423 32 WS Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots $32.70 $47.90
9424 32 WS Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots $33.95 $49.70
9425 32 WS Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $35.30 $51.80
9426 32 WS Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $49.45 $72.60
9427 32 WS Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $48.20 $70.80
9428 32 WS Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $36.45 $53.00
9429 32 WS Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $38.10 $55.90
9430 32 WS Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $51.05 $75.00
9431 32 WS Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $39.45 $57.70
9432 32 WS Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $52.30 $76.80
9433 32-40 Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots $32.70 $47.90
9434 32-40 Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots $33.95 $49.70
9435 32-40 Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $35.30 $51.80
9436 32-40 Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $36.45 $53.00
9437 32-40 Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $48.20 $70.80
9438 32-40 Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $49.45 $72.60
9439 32-40 Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $38.10 $55.90
9440 32-40 Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $39.45 $57.70
9441 32-40 Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $51.05 $75.00
9442 32-40 Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $52.30 $76.80
9443 38-55 Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots $32.70 $47.90
9444 38-55 Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots $33.95 $49.70
9445 38-55 Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $35.30 $51.80
9446 38-55 Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $36.45 $53.00
9447 38-55 Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $48.20 $70.80
9448 38-55 Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $49.45 $72.60
9449 38-55 Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $38.10 $55.90
9451 38-55 Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots $39.45 $57.70
9452 38-55 Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots $51.05 $75.00
9453 38-55 Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots $52.30 $76.80

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Awesome, thanks!

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Ford51,

Thanks for the pictures. Very nice carbine.

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Ford51,

I think you have a spectacular carbine. This one is as good as it gets.

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 Value wise that near mint and boxed carbine would go over the $3000 amount by a good margin in a good online auction like by Jack the Dog.

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Bert H. said

The “Transitional” Model 94 Carbines were manufactured from May 1932 through June 1937.  During that time period, approximately 28,000 Model 94s were manufactured.

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Bert,

Of the 28,000 Model 94’s manufactured between May 1932 through June 1937, do you have a count as to how many were of the transitional configuration?

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tionesta1 said

Bert,

Of the 28,000 Model 94’s manufactured between May 1932 through June 1937, do you have a count as to how many were of the transitional configuration?

Thanks,

Al  

Al,

All 28,000 were transitional Carbines.  The number I quoted excluded the Model 55, Model 64, and Model 94 Rifles that were also manufactured in those years.

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