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Using Kroil (penetrating oil) and a fine mesh copper wool pad will also remove the rust without damaging the surrounding bluing, and the Kroil is handy for many other around the house/shop projects.
“9412” was the catalog order number for a standard 20-inch full mag 30 WCF carbine.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
What Bert said on cleaning the buttplate, Bud. And do not clean all of it off until it is shiny…just maintain control/removal of any surface rust.
James
Bert, do you know when Winchester started marking their boxes with the serial number of the firearm?
James
jwm94 said
Bert, do you know when Winchester started marking their boxes with the serial number of the firearm?James
No, I do not. I was expecting to see it on the subject box, and was somewhat surprised that it was not present.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
No, I do not. I was expecting to see it on the subject box, and was somewhat surprised that it was not present.
Bert
Thank you.
James
3Dub said
Winchester typically put a 4-digit symbol # on the end labels to indicate the configuration of the rifle inside; I don’t know if yours is a 9412 or not.
The “Frontier Big 45 Pad” is the go-to product many people use to remove rust from blued steel. When used with a light oil and some elbow grease, it removes corrosion without removing the bluing. It cannot restore any lost bluing but will improve the situation.
Because deep down, I am just like my friend JWA (Jeff), here is a complete listing of all the Model 94 catalog order numbers and prices as of 1927… all (52) of them!
| Model 94 Catalog Order Numbers as of 1927 | ||||
| Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9405 | 25-35 WCF | $35.30 | $51.80 | |
| 9419 | 30 WCF | $35.30 | $51.80 | |
| 9425 | 32 WS | $35.30 | $51.80 | |
| 9435 | 32-40 | $35.30 | $51.80 | |
| 9445 | 38-55 | $35.30 | $51.80 | |
| Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9406 | 25-35 WCF | $36.45 | $53.00 | |
| 9420 | 30 WCF | $36.45 | $53.00 | |
| 9428 | 32 WS | $36.45 | $53.00 | |
| 9436 | 32-40 | $36.45 | $53.00 | |
| 9446 | 38-55 | $36.45 | $53.00 | |
| Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9407 | 25-35 WCF | $38.10 | $55.90 | |
| 9417 | 30 WCF | $38.10 | $55.90 | |
| 9429 | 32 WS | $38.10 | $55.90 | |
| 9439 | 32-40 | $38.10 | $55.90 | |
| 9449 | 38-55 | $38.10 | $55.90 | |
| Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9408 | 25-35 WCF | $39.45 | $57.70 | |
| 9418 | 30 WCF | $39.45 | $57.70 | |
| 9431 | 32 WS | $39.45 | $57.70 | |
| 9440 | 32-40 | $39.45 | $57.70 | |
| 9451 | 38-55 | $39.45 | $57.70 | |
| Solid Frame 20 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 7 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9414 | 30 WCF | $38.10 | $55.90 | |
| Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9403 | 25-35 WCF | $48.20 | $70.80 | |
| 9416 | 30 WCF | $48.20 | $70.80 | |
| 9427 | 32 WS | $48.20 | $70.80 | |
| 9437 | 32-40 | $48.20 | $70.80 | |
| 9447 | 38-55 | $48.20 | $70.80 | |
| Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9409 | 25-35 WCF | $49.45 | $72.60 | |
| 9421 | 30 WCF | $49.45 | $72.60 | |
| 9426 | 32 WS | $49.45 | $72.60 | |
| 9438 | 32-40 | $49.45 | $72.60 | |
| 9448 | 38-55 | $49.45 | $72.60 | |
| Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9404 | 25-35 WCF | $51.05 | $75.00 | |
| 9415 | 30 WCF | $51.05 | $75.00 | |
| 9430 | 32 WS | $51.05 | $75.00 | |
| 9441 | 32-40 | $51.05 | $75.00 | |
| 9452 | 38-55 | $51.05 | $75.00 | |
| Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9410 | 25-35 WCF | $52.30 | $76.80 | |
| 9422 | 30 WCF | $52.30 | $76.80 | |
| 9432 | 32 WS | $52.30 | $76.80 | |
| 9442 | 32-40 | $52.30 | $76.80 | |
| 9453 | 38-55 | $52.30 | $76.80 | |
| Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9401 | 25-35 WCF | $32.70 | $47.90 | |
| 9412 | 30 WCF | $32.70 | $47.90 | |
| 9423 | 32 WS | $32.70 | $47.90 | |
| 9433 | 32-40 | $32.70 | $47.90 | |
| 9443 | 38-55 | $32.70 | $47.90 | |
| Carbine 15 In. Full Magazine | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9411 | 30 WCF | $32.70 | $47.90 | |
| Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Wholesale | Retail | |
| 9402 | 25-35 WCF | $33.95 | $49.70 | |
| 9413 | 30 WCF | $33.95 | $49.70 | |
| 9424 | 32 WS | $33.95 | $49.70 | |
| 9434 | 32-40 | $33.95 | $49.70 | |
| 9444 | 38-55 | $33.95 | $49.70 | |
If anyone would like a copy of this (Excel spreadsheet), send me a PM or email.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Very nice Winchester 94. My suggestion is leave the rusting alone if the gun will be sold, A high condition Winchester will be purchased by an experienced collector and they will have the experience in cleaning the gun and not destroying the finish on the wood stock, wrecking the screws or other issues you may encounter on learning to preserve a fine piece. If you found a rare painting would you try and clean and refinish the painting or take it to an expert. If you are keeping the rifle, take it to an expert and have it professionally worked on. I have damaged lower conditioned firearms teaching myself on how to clean them. Now I find someone that is knowledgeable on how to preserve them.
Bert H. said
Because deep down, I am just like my friend JWA (Jeff), here is a complete listing of all the Model 94 catalog order numbers and prices as of 1927… all (52) of them!
Awesome info, but deep down we are VERY different, I prefer MS Word tables instead of MS Excel for my lists. 😉
Thanks for posting your efforts!
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
June 21, 2017
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Thank you all for this very good information.
i will heed your advice and leave it for some one else to screw up. I am thinking of selling it to help pay for the AC on the house that has gone belly up. I just need to move slowly and get as much smarts as I can.
i really do appreciate you guys sharing your knowledge.
Bud
JWA said
Awesome info, but deep down we are VERY different, I prefer MS Word tables instead of MS Excel for my lists. 😉
Thanks for posting your efforts!
Best Regards,
Jeff,
Just because you asked, here is a condensed version, and in a MS Word table!
| Model 94 Catalog Order Numbers as of 1927 | ||||
| Order No. | Caliber | Variation | Wholesale | Retail |
| 9401 | 25-35 WCF | Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots | $32.70 | $47.90 |
| 9402 | 25-35 WCF | Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $33.95 | $49.70 |
| 9403 | 25-35 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $48.20 | $70.80 |
| 9404 | 25-35 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $51.05 | $75.00 |
| 9405 | 25-35 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $35.30 | $51.80 |
| 9406 | 25-35 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $36.45 | $53.00 |
| 9407 | 25-35 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $38.10 | $55.90 |
| 9408 | 25-35 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $39.45 | $57.70 |
| 9409 | 25-35 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $49.45 | $72.60 |
| 9410 | 25-35 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $52.30 | $76.80 |
| 9411 | 30 WCF | Carbine 15 In. Full Magazine | $32.70 | $47.90 |
| 9412 | 30 WCF | Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots | $32.70 | $47.90 |
| 9413 | 30 WCF | Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $33.95 | $49.70 |
| 9414 | 30 WCF | Solid Frame 20 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 7 Shots | $38.10 | $55.90 |
| 9415 | 30 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $51.05 | $75.00 |
| 9416 | 30 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $48.20 | $70.80 |
| 9417 | 30 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $38.10 | $55.90 |
| 9418 | 30 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $39.45 | $57.70 |
| 9419 | 30 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $35.30 | $51.80 |
| 9420 | 30 WCF | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $36.45 | $53.00 |
| 9421 | 30 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $49.45 | $72.60 |
| 9422 | 30 WCF | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $52.30 | $76.80 |
| 9423 | 32 WS | Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots | $32.70 | $47.90 |
| 9424 | 32 WS | Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $33.95 | $49.70 |
| 9425 | 32 WS | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $35.30 | $51.80 |
| 9426 | 32 WS | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $49.45 | $72.60 |
| 9427 | 32 WS | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $48.20 | $70.80 |
| 9428 | 32 WS | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $36.45 | $53.00 |
| 9429 | 32 WS | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $38.10 | $55.90 |
| 9430 | 32 WS | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $51.05 | $75.00 |
| 9431 | 32 WS | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $39.45 | $57.70 |
| 9432 | 32 WS | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $52.30 | $76.80 |
| 9433 | 32-40 | Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots | $32.70 | $47.90 |
| 9434 | 32-40 | Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $33.95 | $49.70 |
| 9435 | 32-40 | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $35.30 | $51.80 |
| 9436 | 32-40 | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $36.45 | $53.00 |
| 9437 | 32-40 | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $48.20 | $70.80 |
| 9438 | 32-40 | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $49.45 | $72.60 |
| 9439 | 32-40 | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $38.10 | $55.90 |
| 9440 | 32-40 | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $39.45 | $57.70 |
| 9441 | 32-40 | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $51.05 | $75.00 |
| 9442 | 32-40 | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $52.30 | $76.80 |
| 9443 | 38-55 | Carbine 20 In. Full Magazine – 7 Shots | $32.70 | $47.90 |
| 9444 | 38-55 | Carbine 20 In. Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $33.95 | $49.70 |
| 9445 | 38-55 | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $35.30 | $51.80 |
| 9446 | 38-55 | Solid Frame 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $36.45 | $53.00 |
| 9447 | 38-55 | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $48.20 | $70.80 |
| 9448 | 38-55 | Take Down 26 In. Round Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $49.45 | $72.60 |
| 9449 | 38-55 | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $38.10 | $55.90 |
| 9451 | 38-55 | Solid Frame 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 4 Shots | $39.45 | $57.70 |
| 9452 | 38-55 | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Full Magazine – 9 Shots | $51.05 | $75.00 |
| 9453 | 38-55 | Take Down 26 In. Octagon Barrel Half Magazine – 5 Shots | $52.30 | $76.80 |
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Awesome, thanks!
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Ford51,
I think you have a spectacular carbine. This one is as good as it gets.
Value wise that near mint and boxed carbine would go over the $3000 amount by a good margin in a good online auction like by Jack the Dog.
Bert H. said
The “Transitional” Model 94 Carbines were manufactured from May 1932 through June 1937. During that time period, approximately 28,000 Model 94s were manufactured.
Bert
Bert,
Of the 28,000 Model 94’s manufactured between May 1932 through June 1937, do you have a count as to how many were of the transitional configuration?
Thanks,
Al
tionesta1 said
Bert,
Of the 28,000 Model 94’s manufactured between May 1932 through June 1937, do you have a count as to how many were of the transitional configuration?
Thanks,
Al
Al,
All 28,000 were transitional Carbines. The number I quoted excluded the Model 55, Model 64, and Model 94 Rifles that were also manufactured in those years.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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