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I have a Model 94 30 WCF serial 1102888 which I believe is 1940. It has a SRC style stock with the “shotgun-type curved butt plate” as found on well, most Saddle Ring Carbines.
The wood to metal finish is very good and would appear to be the original stock. As this is a first year 1940-1964 production carbine, could this be a stock that Winchester just utilized? I am selling the rifle and wanted to point this out in the ad, not that it probably makes that much difference. Regards
First, it is not a 1940 production Carbine. We have a Winchester serial number DOM look-up feature here on the WACA website. If you use it (and I highly recommend that you do so), you will find that your Carbine was actually manufactured in the year 1936.
Second, what does your statement below mean (emphasis on the words in italics) ?
As this is a first year 1940-1964 production carbine,…
The butt stock and butt plate on your Model 94 Carbine are precisely what they should be. From April of 1932 through May of 1937, Winchester manufactured what is frequently referred to as the “transitional” Carbine. A “transitional” Carbine is one with a Proof Steel barrel (versus Nickel Steel), a Ramp style front sight, no saddle ring, and the older style carbine butt plate. The surveyed serial number range for them is 1083500 – 1129700. Beginning in June of 1937, Winchester began the rapid transition to the serrated steel butt plate for the Model 94 that formerly used on the Models 53, 54, & 55 lever-actions.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thank you very much Bert. I took that term “1940-1964 production Carbine” straight out of the blue book. I added the term “first year” thinking that this was a 1940 manufacture, there fore a first year. Thats all I meant by that.
Thanks again, Happy New Year
steelslide said
Thank you very much Bert. I took that term “1940-1964 production Carbine” straight out of the blue book. I added the term “first year” thinking that this was a 1940 manufacture, there fore a first year. Thats all I meant by that.Thanks again, Happy New Year
Hmmm… that is another example of why people should not refer to, or use the Blue Book.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert, is this carbine too early to be a true transitional? The poster is not giving is much info. Big Larry
Big Larry said
Bert, is this carbine too early to be a true transitional? The poster is not giving is much info. Big Larry
Larry,
No, it is not. Did you read my response to him? It positively is a “transitional” Carbine, as it is almost dead center in the known serial number range. The butt stock & butt plate type as described perfectly match a transitional Carbine.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I have a drippy mint “Transitional” # 1100457, PR dated 1-25-1936. I believe you have that one in your survey. Mine also has the notch cut into the mag. tube for a post sighted M1894. Yep, they never threw old parts away. Happy New Year Bert. Keep up the good work. It is appreciated by this old man. Big Larry
Bert,
I just acquired a mint unfired Model 94 Eastern Carbine serial number 1079515. It has the Type 6 barrel markings, the post front sight, and the 44a carbine rear siight, it’s 30wcf. Came with the box, hang tag, original owners manual which is a little blue booklet, and a little piece of paper with a packers number, and date. I will take pictures when I can. It was made in 1931, but can you tell me the exact PR date?
Thanks,
Al
The resource on this website puts it at 1931. Quite a find if all the details check out !
Bill
Blueliner said
The resource on this website puts it at 1931. Quite a find if all the details check out !Bill
Bill,
I know it’s 1931, what I’m looking for is the PR month and day.
Thanks,
Al
tionesta1 said
Bert,I just acquired a mint unfired Model 94 Eastern Carbine serial number 1079515. It has the Type 6 barrel markings, the post front sight, and the 44a carbine rear siight, it’s 30wcf. Came with the box, hang tag, original owners manual which is a little blue booklet, and a little piece of paper with a packers number, and date. I will take pictures when I can. It was made in 1931, but can you tell me the exact PR date?
Thanks,
Al
Al,
The last serial number recorded in 1931 was 1079689, which indicates that serial number 1079515 was most likely sometime in mid December of 1931.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
For Bert’s records, just acquired transitional Model 94 carbine serial 1111814 .30 WCF to the survey. All correct and original finish and drippy mint condition to boot. Cost about $1000, I value it somewhat higher.
Interesting that in researching serial numbers at WACA site, they make this statement: For purposes of determining if your gun is legally considered an “antique” (pre-1899 DOM), the BATF has told us they use the DOM dates published by the manufacture (Winchester). Those dates coincide with the Madis dates and can be viewed on Winchester’s site at: Winchesterguns.com
So that means the discredited Madis serials are still used by ATF! That means that ATF allows many more Winchester’s to be legal to own and acquire with no paper work needed at least at the Federal level.
CJS57 said
For Bert’s records, just acquired transitional Model 94 carbine serial 1111814 .30 WCF to the survey. All correct and original finish and drippy mint condition to boot. Cost about $1000, I value it somewhat higher.Interesting that in researching serial numbers at WACA site, they make this statement: For purposes of determining if your gun is legally considered an “antique” (pre-1899 DOM), the BATF has told us they use the DOM dates published by the manufacture (Winchester). Those dates coincide with the Madis dates and can be viewed on Winchester’s site at: Winchesterguns.com
So that means the discredited Madis serials are still used by ATF! That means that ATF allows many more Winchester’s to be legal to own and acquire with no paper work needed at least at the Federal level.
I too value these “Transitional” carbines much higher. Around $2,000 drippy mint. They are not what you call, common. Mine has the ramp front with cover and the rear is a Winchester M22-E with 3C elevator. It also has the 1927 date on it. Got it in a trade several years ago. Big Larry
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