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Were all the receivers of the Model 64 drilled and tapped for a receiver/peep sight or was it just the later ones that were?
Did the earlier Model 64 rifles have a thinner forend?
All but the very early production Model 64 rifles were factory drilled and tapped for a receiver sight. In my on going research survey, just 5% of the total production were not drilled & tapped.
Yes, the early production Model 64 rifles had thin forend stocks.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
January 26, 2011
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Bert,
What kind of results are you getting with regards to production totals pre-war vs. post-war? I’ve owned five M64 rifles so far and they have all been in the 1950-1955 range. I am still hunting for a nice pre-war example either in full length or the carbine version and it just seems like all I ever see are 1949 and newer. If I do run across pre-war M64’s, they are usually the carbines.
~Gary~
Gary,
I have 680 pre-war, and 839 post-war Model 64 Rifles & Carbines in my survey (1519 total). That amounts to a 44.8% to 55.2% ratio. You must not be looking in the right places for them
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks for that,Bert.
One other queston.Did the forends on the early Model 64 Deer Rifles have a different pattern/style of checkering than the later models.
January 26, 2011
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Bert H. said
Gary,
I have 680 pre-war, and 839 post-war Model 64 Rifles & Carbines in my survey (1519 total). That amounts to a 44.8% to 55.2% ratio. You must not be looking in the right places for them
Bert
Of the 680 pre-war, how many are carbines? I look at quite a few on the various online sites, and still see very few of what I am calling pre-war…..1.3 mil and back s/n.
If it hasn’t been mentioned in a while, we appreciate your efforts with the many surveys you are compiling. Lots of good information for the rest of us. Thanks.
~Gary~
January 26, 2011
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28 gauge said
Thanks for that,Bert.
One other queston.Did the forends on the early Model 64 Deer Rifles have a different pattern/style of checkering than the later models.
I believe the forend checkering pattern on the Deer Rifles remained the same diamond shaped pattern for all of them. It seems like the pre-war ones have a finer (more lines/inch) pattern as did many of the other Winchester models. The early 64’s also had slightly different pistol grip, a little smaller with the cap being more of a round shape and less oval. Just my observations.
~Gary~
Thanks for that,pdog72.What about the shape of the design,not the shape of each diamond?The design on the forends I have seen were quite long and went to points on each end.Have heard there was an earlier design that was more of a triangle shape.
January 26, 2011
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant the overall shape is an “elongated” diamond rather than the more traditional 1894 H or I patterns. The model 64 and 71 have essentially the same fore end pattern. This is the only style I’ve ever seen on them.
~Gary~
28 gauge said
Thanks for that,Bert.
One other queston.Did the forends on the early Model 64 Deer Rifles have a different pattern/style of checkering than the later models.
No, they did not. All of the Deer rifles were made with the same checkering pattern. That stated, I have seen two Model 64 rifles that were special ordered with 3X stocks, and have the H-pattern checkering. Both were pre-war production.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks for the replies Bert and pdog72.
The picture posted is what I am use to seeing.Recently I have seen pictures of a Model 64 with the thin forend and different pattern on the forend.The pistol grip is the same pattern as I have seen on other Deer Rifles.The forend pattern appears to be triangle in shape ,as I have seen on pictures of some Model 55 rifles.
Gary,
I have surveyed (122) pre-war Carbines versus just (20) post-war Carbines, and (68) Deer Carbines versus (20) post-war Deer Carbines. The total is (190) pre-war versus (40) post-war Carbines of both varieties.
Below is the extrapolation table from my research survey. As you can see, 17.83% of all the Model 64s I have surveyed thus far are Carbines (both variations).
| Extrapolated Caliber and Variation Type Totals | |||||||
| Caliber | Totals | % | Variations | Totals | % | ||
| 30 W.C.F. | 39746 | 59.52% | Sporting Rifles | 38103 | 57.05% | ||
| 32 W.S. | 16592 | 24.84% | Deer Rifles | 16773 | 25.12% | ||
| 219 ZIPPER | 6008 | 9.00% | Total Rifles | 54876 | 82.17% | ||
| 25-35 W.C.F. | 3697 | 5.54% | Carbines | 7351 | 11.01% | ||
| 32-40 | 277 | 0.42% | Deluxe Carbines | 4556 | 6.82% | ||
| 38-55 | 462 | 0.69% | Total Carbines | 11907 | 17.83% | ||
| 66,783 | 100.00% | ||||||
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Interesting survey,Bert.
After looking at the pictures carefully and with what I have read here ,I believe the Model 64 in question is a regular Model 64 that someone,at some point in time ,did up to look like a Model 64 Deer Rifle.
Thanks to all who responded.Your comments were most helpful.
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