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safestuffer said
Im looking at a few more examples and im noticing a lot of variances in the placement of the barrel markings, though it sounds as though thats to be expected.
This wasn’t perhaps a rifle barrel before being repurposed as a carbine barrel, either by Winchester or after the fact, was it?
Another interesting feature that I notice is the off center “92” model number on the top tang. A member of another forum mentioned that the stamping die was modified by grinding the “18” of the old “1892” model number on the die  before the die was replaced entirely. Is that accurate?
  

Good morning,

During the year 1926 Winchester began to produce barrels on which the rear sight dovetail was position a bit further from the receiver face.   This was done in order to allow for a longer buckhorn rear sight to be used on the carbine instead of the much more typical folding leaf sight.  In the attached portion of my spreadsheet the position is noted as either “A” (in green) the original location, or “B” (in yellow) the new position.  This difference gives the appearance of the Model designation on the left side of the barrel and the barrel address stamp on the right side as being positioned differently when in fact it is the dovetail that has moved.

Between serial number 951154 to 956039 of the Model 92’s I have seen (91 so far) EVERY one is a saddle ring carbine. 44WCF is by far the dominant caliber with a small number of 38 WCF examples. That is a span of 4885 rifles. Within the rifles that I have sampled, 16 have a 16 inch barrel, 4 have a 14 inch barrel and 1 is a 17 inch barrel. So 23 % of the carbines within just this small group are “trappers”! Therefore 1,123 trappers were made JUST in this interval!! These rifles really are not rare.  I would also begin to question the idea of “special order” regarding these guns.  I doubt that each one was made for “Bob in Idaho” who requested one but rather Winchester knew that people wanted then and therefore just made a bunch, warehoused them, and sent them out as later requested.  The second portion of my spreadsheet show the same sort of occurrence but with 14 inch carbines.  

Michael

twobit said

safestuffer said
Im looking at a few more examples and im noticing a lot of variances in the placement of the barrel markings, though it sounds as though thats to be expected.
This wasn’t perhaps a rifle barrel before being repurposed as a carbine barrel, either by Winchester or after the fact, was it?
Another interesting feature that I notice is the off center “92” model number on the top tang. A member of another forum mentioned that the stamping die was modified by grinding the “18” of the old “1892” model number on the die  before the die was replaced entirely. Is that accurate?
  

Good morning,
During the year 1926 Winchester began to produce barrels on which the rear sight dovetail was position a bit further from the receiver face.   This was done in order to allow for a longer buckhorn rear sight to be used on the carbine instead of the much more typical folding leaf sight.  In the attached portion of my spreadsheet the position is noted as either “A” (in green) the original location, or “B” (in yellow) the new position.  This difference gives the appearance of the Model designation on the left side of the barrel and the barrel address stamp on the right side as being positioned differently when in fact it is the dovetail that has moved.
Between serial number 951154 to 956039 of the Model 92’s I have seen (91 so far) EVERY one is a saddle ring carbine. 44WCF is by far the dominant caliber with a small number of 38 WCF examples. That is a span of 4885 rifles. Within the rifles that I have sampled, 16 have a 16 inch barrel, 4 have a 14 inch barrel and 1 is a 17 inch barrel. So 23 % of the carbines within just this small group are “trappers”! Therefore 1,123 trappers were made JUST in this interval!! These rifles really are not rare.  I would also begin to question the idea of “special order” regarding these guns.  I doubt that each one was made for “Bob in Idaho” who requested one but rather Winchester knew that people wanted then and therefore just made a bunch, warehoused them, and sent them out as later requested.  The second portion of my spreadsheet show the same sort of occurrence but with 14 inch carbines.  
Michael

  

Those spread sheets show a sea of full magazines.  

safestuffer said
 
About what percentage would the experts give in condition? The barrel bands are both pretty worn, the high points of the receiver are silver, and the butt plate is about fully patina so in my understanding thats what, about an 85-90% finish?
  

You can call that a 90% condition rifle and shouldn’t get much of an argument form anyone.

Michael

safestuffer said

twobit said

safestuffer said
 
About what percentage would the experts give in condition? The barrel bands are both pretty worn, the high points of the receiver are silver, and the butt plate is about fully patina so in my understanding thats what, about an 85-90% finish?
  

You can call that a 90% condition rifle and shouldn’t get much of an argument form anyone.
Michael
  

Michael,
Bert was able to make it to me this weekend and had a hands-on look at this rifle, he verified everything is correct, as you predicted from the photos. Im happy to make this rifle available if you or Bert would like to look at it any further.
  

Thanks so much for your kind offer.  There is no need on my part at this time and I doubt that you would want me drooling over it!    I may take you up on the offer in the future.

Michael