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Model 1892 "CHINA NAVIGATION Co." Carbines
December 26, 2017
12:33 pm
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Hello all,

While cataloging Model 1892 rifles in my survey I have noted 4 SRC's in 44 WCF caliber which are marked "CHINA NAVIGATION Co. Ltd. on the left side of the barrel just beneath the rear sight.  To date I have found SN 199425, 207489, 302356, and 309720.  These rifles may also have a numeric stamp on the upper tang and a letter stamped on the top of the receiver just to the rear of the barrel.  One rifle also has a B&S (Butterfield & Swire, owners of the China Navigation Co)  serial number on left side of receiver.  I am in touch with a fellow collector and a representative of the current Swire & Co in New Zealand who have both done some research into these rifles.  If anyone has one of these marked rifles I would be very interested in getting more information and photos of your rifle to add into my data base.  The images below are from SN 199425.

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Thanks so much for your help

Michael

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December 27, 2017
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      Hi Michael

      This may be of interest to you. I have an 1892 Carbine in 44 WCF.   The barrel has been replaced,  and unmarked, but the other markings are --

       BS over  NO 84. on Left side of Stock.  Has no oval marking.      84 behind Hammer, on side of Lever, on bottom of rear barrel Band, and on side of 

       Magazine tube near muzzle.  On top of Receiver over chamber is letter F.    This Carbine, Serial No. 86532 is also marked with the 84 number on the 

       bottom of the Hammer, and the bottom of the Breach Block. All numbers are square and precise and look like they have been there since new.

       I can send photos if you need them,  but there are no barrel markings.   Let me know,   Eric

December 27, 2017
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Eric Ryan said
      Hi Michael

      This may be of interest to you. I have an 1892 Carbine in 44 WCF.   The barrel has been replaced,  and unmarked, but the other markings are --

       BS over  NO 84. on Left side of Stock.  Has no oval marking.      84 behind Hammer, on side of Lever, on bottom of rear barrel Band, and on side of 

       Magazine tube near muzzle.  On top of Receiver over chamber is letter F.    This Carbine, Serial No. 86532 is also marked with the 84 number on the 

       bottom of the Hammer, and the bottom of the Breach Block. All numbers are square and precise and look like they have been there since new.

       I can send photos if you need them,  but there are no barrel markings.   Let me know,   Eric  

Good morning Eric,

SN 83562 was originally built in 44 WCF so nothing appears to be changed regarding the configuration.  Yes, please do forward photos to me at my email 2bitrifles@gmail.com   Does the number on the muzzle match the one in the attached photo?  Do you live in Australia by chance Eric.  I actually have this rifle entered in my survey listing with the original barrel address style noted.  I must have received information on it before the switch but  I have no saved photos of the gun.  I have sent an email to the then owner to see if there is any chance of getting some pics.

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January 4, 2018
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Hello all,
Here is what I have come up with to date regarding B&S stamped Model 1892 rifles.
 
1.  I have data on 6 rifles ranging from SN 86532 to 309720.  This spans a production period between 1898 and 1905.
 
2.  I have identified a total of 5 individual orders which include these 6 rifles that were shipped out by Winchester on the following dates:
Order 232 on Mar 10, 1898  Contained 21 rifles
Order 11639 on Dec 29, 1902  Contained 8 rifles
Order 12162 on January 14, 1903  Contained 59 Rifles
Order 12572 on June 6, 1905  Contained 18 Rifles
Unknown order number containing SN 309720.  This rifle was serialized in Aug 5, 1905 so it could not have been in the June 6, 1905 order.  This order supposedly contained 18 rifles if the attached auction document is correct.  Hopefully I can clear this up after going to Cody in February.  A possible 124 rifles are included in these orders.
 
3.  The two rifle I have examined via photos from the earliest order ( Order 232 on Mar 10, 1898  Contained 21 rifles) were not stamped CHINA NAVIGATION on the barrel though the other receiver and barrel marks are consistent with later guns which are marked on the barrels. 
 
Michael

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