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Model 1873 Forearm Cap Sling Swivel HELP NEEDED
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I’d trade my girlfriend for a correct forend cap sling swivel to complete this rifle. It’s a Model 1873 in 44 WCF with a 24” octagonal barrel. The gun is correct to the Cody letter, is fully functional and in original condition (so far as I can tell) and also features a 7-leaf sight and set trigger. Actually groups great as well! The missing link is the front sling swivel… PLEASE, my brothers, let me know if you can help!

Thank you in advance for any leads and/or solutions!

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Robert Dean 406-459-9948

 

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Robert,

I keep wanting to respond to your post but you keep creating new ones and deleting the old ones. You can edit you existing posts, you don’t need to make new ones.

You probably will never find one without taking it from another gun. my suggestion is to make the swivel base and buy the sling loop from Homestead.

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1873man said
Robert,

I keep wanting to respond to your post but you keep creating new ones and deleting the old ones. You can edit you existing posts, you don’t need to make new ones.

You probably will never find one without taking it from another gun. my suggestion is to make the swivel base and buy the sling loop from Homestead.

Bob

  

Apologies Bob,

I’d initially posted it in “General Discussions” but then realized I might get more traffic in the “Win Rifles” section so deleted and moved it. And THEN had trouble uploading the pictures. You have a pretty quick draw considering I did all of that quite expeditiously and didn’t think anyone would notice! 

Nonetheless, thank you very much for the response! I’ve heard the idea of making a swivel base before… but am all about finding original parts and have regarded creating one as the last ditch effort. I’ve been hunting for this part for quite some time now and have spoken with many Winchester gurus on it. Usually the conversations end with a chuckle and “good luck”. 

So, now that I’ve exhausted the internet and trade shows plenty and am at the point of “whatever it takes”, may I ask if you have anyone in particular you could refer me to? There are smiths around here I respect plenty, but am trigger shy on giving them this project… as minute as it may be. 

Appreciate your help! Regards,

Robert Dean

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R. Dean said I’ve heard the idea of making a swivel base before… but am all about finding original parts and have regarded creating one as the last ditch effort. 
  

That’s where you are now–the last ditch.  So take Bob’s advice.

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Robert,

I have 431861 and if you check yours, I would bet $100 they sat next to each other in the rack at the factory and possible have the same order number of 2477. Mine letter with the Beach and 7 leaf as well.

What I can do is measure up the front swivel and take photos and then it up to you to find a machinist to make one. It does not have to be a gunsmith, any machinist can do the work. Just take your cap off so you can get a few more measurements since the swivel is peened in and can’t be removed without damage.

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clarence said

R. Dean said I’ve heard the idea of making a swivel base before… but am all about finding original parts and have regarded creating one as the last ditch effort. 

  

That’s where you are now–the last ditch.  So take Bob’s advice.

  

The use of “last ditch” may have been a bit of an exaggeration on my part. I’m in no hurry to get rid of this rifle and might not get rid of it at all. She’s a rather unique one and I simply want to replace a missing component. That was the point of this post…

So if anyone out there has original parts that can make this rifle whole again, by all means name your price.

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Robert,

I have 431861 and if you check yours, I would bet $100 they sat next to each other in the rack at the factory and possible have the same order number of 2477. Mine letter with the Beach and 7 leaf as well.

What I can do is measure up the front swivel and take photos and then it up to you to find a machinist to make one. It does not have to be a gunsmith, any machinist can do the work. Just take your cap off so you can get a few more measurements since the swivel is peened in and can’t be removed without damage.

Bob

  

Wow Bob! Yessir, we are one digit off and if they were racked in subsequent order mine would have been sitting just to your’s left. That’s amazing. 

Do appreciate all your knowledge and help. If you were in my shoes as a collector, is this how you would go about it? 

P.S. I want to buy 431861 !!!

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Robert,

You have found its very rare to find a complete forearm with swivel for a 44 octagon barrel. You can find them missing the swivel. You might find one in another cap that does not fit like from a 32, 38 or round barrel or even another model and if you can remove it without damaging it you won. If it were mine I would make one. I would have a complete gun in my life time and you can always keep an eye out for a real one. I had a similar situation happen to me with a nickel plated brass swiss butt plate in a Ballard style for a 73. Someone cut the ears off the butt plate so I had them built up and plated. Years later I saw a original at the Tulsa gun show.

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1873man said Someone cut the ears off the butt plate so I had them built up and plated.
  

Bob,  you’ve heard of tits on a boar hog?  Those prongs are in the same category.  No wonder someone took a hack-saw to them.  I’ve been tempted to do the same.

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Clarence,

I can see why someone would cut them off if they tried to shoulder the gun like a normal rifle and back in the day the gun was used. It was probably the second owner that did it since the guy that ordered the gun wanted it that way.

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