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May 23, 2009
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To the Gentleman that messaged me a while back,
I found some information on a model 1866 dust cover, but It wasn’t exactly what I had remembered.
In the Winter 1989 Collector on pages 4 & 5 (6&7 if using the forum viewer) is an article written by George Madis. It is titled 1866 Winchester – Bayes Patent, and is nice short read with some pics. I’m guessing this is where in my subconscious I read something in one of George’s books on the 66 dust cover. Which I may still find something in a book somewhere, still on the look out.
I also found in my files a color photo of the top of the receiver. Which I think someone had sent from an old auction or something. I don’t remember where I got it to be honest.
So here you go. If I find something else, I’ll let you know.
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Maverick
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April 5, 2019
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That’s for me thanks, Maverick, I had no idea what the Bayes patent looked like. I have sent you a message about getting some pictures of my 1866 which had a dust cover at one time posted as I cannot figure out how to do it.
March 31, 2009
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There are several Bayes 1866’s. He did a lot of experimenting trying to modify the Henry for better loading and improving the magazine tube.
May 23, 2009
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Here are pictures that Harry sent me to upload to this forum topic. Its an interesting looking piece. I’ve asked him for a picture of the whole receiver.
What y’all think?
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Maverick
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April 5, 2019
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Just my opinion but I believe the milling on the top forward part of the receiver is there because when the hole is drilled in the brass dust cover this cut gives a bit more area strength when the screw for the dust cover stop is installed.
May 23, 2009
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Maverick
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May 23, 2009
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I would imagine if this was original factory work, that the dust cover would be similar in appearance to 1st Model 73 dust covers.
Its a shame its missing the dust cover.
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May 2, 2009
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I can see that the original extractor was replaced by the extractor with the raised square edge to open the dust cover just like the 73.
Bob
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April 5, 2019
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1873man said
I can see that the original extractor was replaced by the extractor with the raised square edge to open the dust cover just like the 73.Bob
I believe this carbine left the factory with the present extractor and was never replaced. This piece sat in a museum for the last 60 years except for the 2 I’ve had it. The museum was 15 miles from the site of the frog lake massacre and quite a few lndian reserves. No body in that era or area would have the skill to incise mortise guides in the receiver similar to first model 1873’s. I believe all this work was done in the factory.
Harry
May 23, 2009
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Harry,
I’m inclined to agree with you that is it possibly factory work. But will add that there were plenty of guys faking guns in the 1950s.
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Maverick
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March 31, 2009
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Does anybody know who Bayes worked for or where he worked? He was quite capable of making such things.
May 23, 2009
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Chuck,
Apparently Mr. Stephen G. Bayes worked for Winchester as an inventor and lived in the town of Wausen in Fulton County in the state of Ohio. At least that is what is noted on patent #242,809 for what would become the Model 62 Gun Sight.
I couldn’t find the patent number for the February 9th, 1869 dust cover that is shown on the image I posted. If anyone knows the patent number, I’ll look it up. Note the inscription of the dust cover is marked “S. G. Bayes. Wausen. O. Pat. Feb 9th, 1869.”
Here is the June 14, 1881 patent for the gun sight where Bayes is noted as Inventor and the patent is assigned to the Winchester Repeating Arms Company of New Haven, Connecticut.
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Maverick
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March 31, 2009
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Thanks Maverick. I will ask a friend and see if he knows or has any of the Bayes guns left in his collection. He has been collecting brass guns since the 1960’s.
September 19, 2014
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Maverick, did you ever get the patent number for the S. G. Bayes dust cover?
Tim
September 19, 2014
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Maverick, the patent number is 86,723. Also, I strongly suspect that at the time this patent was filed, Bayes was an independent person. He sued Winchester, and of course those records seem lost. After the suit, Winchester purchased his patent rights. Later patents by Bayes may then have also been purchased from the perspective of once burned, twice shy. I doubt, but can’t prove any of it, that he was not a regular employee of Winchester.
Tim
May 23, 2009
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tim tomlinson said
Maverick, the patent number is 86,723. Also, I strongly suspect that at the time this patent was filed, Bayes was an independent person. He sued Winchester, and of course those records seem lost. After the suit, Winchester purchased his patent rights. Later patents by Bayes may then have also been purchased from the perspective of once burned, twice shy. I doubt, but can’t prove any of it, that he was not a regular employee of Winchester.Tim
Tim,
Now that you mention it, I recall possibly reading about this in Williamson’s book. As I recall it, you’ve hit the nail on the head. Bayes obviously was not a regular employee, but as inventor’s go, neither was John M. Browning. What exact role Bayes played, I don’t know but just like Browning, they had a working relationship.
Here is the images for the patent.
You’ll note in the patent description that it is not assigned to Winchester. But the sight patent I mentioned earlier is assigned to WRACo. So I imagine they came to some kind of arrangement. Which interesting enough is the same thing they did with John M. Browning.
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Maverick
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