Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Missing Winchester 71 from Amoskeag auction
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 10840
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
21
March 3, 2023 - 11:52 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Tom,

These are the issues with it that concern me;

1. The S/N on that rifle places it date of manufacture in late 1951 or early 1952, and the barrel is dated “51”.  However, it has a Type 1 roll marked barrel address versus the Type 2 barrel address that is found on the Post-WW II Model 71 rifles.

2. The caliber marking on that rifle is “45-70 GOVT”, whereas on the verified Model 71 rifles I have observed, it was simply “45-70” (just like it was marked on all of the Model 1886 rifles).  See the attached pictures of S/Ns 3314 and 10926.

Bert

Type-1-3314-45-70.jpgImage EnlargerType-1-10926-45-70-.jpgImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 400
Member Since:
November 8, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
22
March 28, 2023 - 11:59 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

A friend called and told me that he was watching this rifle at the auction and it sold for $37k+.  

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 10840
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
23
March 29, 2023 - 3:16 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

$37,500 before the juice… somebody took a serious bath on it! I am dreading the possibility that the new owner is going to contact me only to find out that I am of the very strong belief that it is a Fake.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1726
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
24
March 29, 2023 - 11:35 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Here’s the link:

https://live.amoskeagauction.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/97/lot/62085?url=%2Fm%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F97%3Fpage%3D1%26view%3Dlist%26key%3DWinchester%2520%26sale%3Dundefined%26catm%3Dany%26order%3Dorder_num%26xclosed%3Dno%26featured%3Dno

Two things I see.  The proofmark on the frame and the barrel are not stamped by the same die.  There are subtle differences.

The bluing on the barrel and the receiver are different enough such that I don’t think they were together forever.  That could be an optical illusion.

There was no reason to create a Model 71 in .45-70 in the 1950’s.  I could see this being done during initial production runs in 1936 to assess the popularity of a Model 71 in .45 – 70, or lack thereof, but if it was deemed to be not popular during early production runs, there would be no need to create one a decade and a half later.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1722
Member Since:
June 4, 2017
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
25
March 29, 2023 - 1:22 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

  Do we know the gun sold? I have no experience with this auction house but some auctions pull bids out of the air to get to the reserve. If you have just one bidder and the house is on the wrong side of the bid they will hammer it sold.

 Many times the house is on both sides. RIA lists under Terms and Conditions, 12 RESERVES. Some items in this auction may be subject to reserve (the confidential minimum price below which the lot will not be sold). If a lot is offered with a reserve, RIAC may implement that reserve by bidding on behalf of the consignor.  T/R

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4598
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
26
March 29, 2023 - 4:54 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

I looked at this gun when it was at the Vegas show.  Not being an expert on these guns I did not see anything that jumped out at me.  If I remember correctly it looked new.

As far as actually selling, well we all know auction houses would rather say it sold than not.  Just have to wait and see if it pops up again.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 584
Member Since:
February 17, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
27
April 2, 2023 - 12:21 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Chuck said
I looked at this gun when it was at the Vegas show.  Not being an expert on these guns I did not see anything that jumped out at me.  If I remember correctly it looked new.

As far as actually selling, well we all know auction houses would rather say it sold than not.  Just have to wait and see if it pops up again.

  

I am fairly confident it sold. $44k with the juice. Amoskeag will list it as unsold in the title block instead of showing a price. They recently tried to sell another rifle from same collection and didn’t sell and shows it that way. I stopped in and looked at it, it was very nice looking. the nicest one was the Special carbine. went for $8800 with the juice. That gun was real. 

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6368
TXGunNut: 5034
Chuck: 4598
1873man: 4322
steve004: 4250
Big Larry: 2344
twobit: 2298
mrcvs: 1726
TR: 1722
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 12760
Posts: 111152

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1766
Members: 8854
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation