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Tom,
These are the issues with it that concern me;
1. The S/N on that rifle places it date of manufacture in late 1951 or early 1952, and the barrel is dated “51”. However, it has a Type 1 roll marked barrel address versus the Type 2 barrel address that is found on the Post-WW II Model 71 rifles.
2. The caliber marking on that rifle is “45-70 GOVT”, whereas on the verified Model 71 rifles I have observed, it was simply “45-70” (just like it was marked on all of the Model 1886 rifles). See the attached pictures of S/Ns 3314 and 10926.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
A friend called and told me that he was watching this rifle at the auction and it sold for $37k+.
$37,500 before the juice… somebody took a serious bath on it! I am dreading the possibility that the new owner is going to contact me only to find out that I am of the very strong belief that it is a Fake.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Here’s the link:
Two things I see. The proofmark on the frame and the barrel are not stamped by the same die. There are subtle differences.
The bluing on the barrel and the receiver are different enough such that I don’t think they were together forever. That could be an optical illusion.
There was no reason to create a Model 71 in .45-70 in the 1950’s. I could see this being done during initial production runs in 1936 to assess the popularity of a Model 71 in .45 – 70, or lack thereof, but if it was deemed to be not popular during early production runs, there would be no need to create one a decade and a half later.
Do we know the gun sold? I have no experience with this auction house but some auctions pull bids out of the air to get to the reserve. If you have just one bidder and the house is on the wrong side of the bid they will hammer it sold.
Many times the house is on both sides. RIA lists under Terms and Conditions, 12 RESERVES. Some items in this auction may be subject to reserve (the confidential minimum price below which the lot will not be sold). If a lot is offered with a reserve, RIAC may implement that reserve by bidding on behalf of the consignor. T/R
I looked at this gun when it was at the Vegas show. Not being an expert on these guns I did not see anything that jumped out at me. If I remember correctly it looked new.
As far as actually selling, well we all know auction houses would rather say it sold than not. Just have to wait and see if it pops up again.
Chuck said
I looked at this gun when it was at the Vegas show. Not being an expert on these guns I did not see anything that jumped out at me. If I remember correctly it looked new.As far as actually selling, well we all know auction houses would rather say it sold than not. Just have to wait and see if it pops up again.
I am fairly confident it sold. $44k with the juice. Amoskeag will list it as unsold in the title block instead of showing a price. They recently tried to sell another rifle from same collection and didn’t sell and shows it that way. I stopped in and looked at it, it was very nice looking. the nicest one was the Special carbine. went for $8800 with the juice. That gun was real.
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